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just a footnote bmw have stopped selling the very high quality sg oil so i am using castrol act>evo gt t4 20/50 this is actually rated as a SG rating - not a higher rating oil that includes the sg qualifier. might be of interest to someone. But I have to agree with Mr Bakker that largely oil of the right type should do the job fine dont pay loads extra for something your engine does not need, almost all oils have to meet minimum spec thats noted on the container and if it meets the spec of your bike it should do the job. Jake.
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just a footnote bmw have stopped selling the very high quality sg oil so i am using castrol act>evo gt t4 20/50 this is actually rated as a SG rating - not a higher rating oil that includes the sg qualifier. might be of interest to someone. But I have to agree with Mr Bakker that largely oil of the right type should do the job fine dont pay loads extra for something your engine does not need, almost all oils have to meet minimum spec thats noted on the container and if it meets the spec of your bike it should do the job. Jake.
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This is exactly wrong. Sg rating guarantees it will have less than 0.12% anti wear additives. For SF/SL grade the limit is 0.10% Ie they guarantee the oIl wil not exceed the stated grade.
This is contrary to every other form of labelling. The reason is that vehicle manufacturers need to know what they can run which will not ruin teh EFI/engine management sensors. The 50 weight oils are excempt from the restriction because they are designated for old non efi engines. The BMW oil actually had 0.36% additives. But an oil might not contain any additives at all and still be entitled to claim compliance with many grades. beware an oil that meets many grades. IF oil was petrol they could sell kerosene as 100 octane because it is less than 100 octane. This is counter to what you would expect. In other words chip oil meets all standards because it has less anti wear additives ( zinc/phosphorus/calcium) so meets teh standard. For an old technology engine you are often better served buying diesel engine oil than the stuff marketed for petrol engines.
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Old bmw i cannot argue with what you say cos I really dont know and I aint any kind of oil scientist - just going off the stuff they the manufacturers tell you. I will stick to me castrol 20/50 sg oil in any case, Anyway if your at the scottish weekend in september upto applecross - be good to have a chat after many  s cos I am sure it will all make sense then. Cheers Jake.
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Old bmw i cannot argue with what you say cos I really dont know and I aint any kind of oil scientist - just going off the stuff they the manufacturers tell you. I will stick to me castrol 20/50 sg oil in any case, Anyway if your at the scottish weekend in september upto applecross - be good to have a chat after many  s cos I am sure it will all make sense then. Cheers Jake.
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You are probably right to stick to castrol SG only 20/50. here in the eco friendly France, the best I can get these days is 20/50in SL  Where do you buy it, i might try to get a can next time we vist the UK?
wont be coming to Scotland  although I will be going to Germany in acouple of weeks for teh annual Diesel Bike meeting at Hamm
The one in westfallen.
Oil like petrol is getting worse and worse,,, while they figure out how to dilute it more and more with substitutes.
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I can order the castrol through my local car shop but BMW service shops also stock and use it in place of the old BMW sg oil. So I would think any bm dealer should supply it as its now recommended by BMW for use in there bikes. Jake. I should be back in Germany in October some time but not set a plan yet.
Best wishes Jake.
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