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Yah that boats.net sight is good. I like it because it shows all the other bikes & atvs that use a certain part. Its nice for cross referencing parts.
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The one problem with the plated TT cylinder is once it is worn, it is done. You can bore it out and have it replated, but they are never as good as the original factory, I think it has to do with oil penetrated into the walls and the plating then flakes easier. As long as it is within spec the TT should be good, they do wear a little longer than the non plated.
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This all makes sense. I have read elsewhere that replating is never the same. I know from experience with welding that aluminum is a porous metal that will absorb oil & debris to some extant. Welding old used aluminum can be a bugger due to oil & dirt soaking into it over time.
I am glad you brought refurbishing these Nikasil cylinders up. Something I have been wondering is this; I understand why Nikasil can't be honed, obviously to do so ruins the plating. What I don't understand is why no one talks about just boring the Nikasil cylinders out & resleeving them with cast iron sleeves. Can this be done? I assume it can. I mean to say the cylinders between the XT & the TT only differ in that the XT has a cast iron sleeve & the TT is Nikasil coated aluminum barrel right? So can the TT cylinders just get bored out, sleeved with cast iron & essentially converted to a standard XT style cylinder?
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Anyway, since the gears are the same #'s and the bearing are different I think they just used a different bearing in the TT (but why?) so that corresponds back to the axle assembly # needing to be changed slightly, I would bet the axles are interchangeable. Gearing commanders # must be wrong or they are comparing the XT/TT550 and the 600's. Anyone have a factory TT service manual to see what the ratio truly are? Also I see it has '89 XT, it's possible the '88-'89 has changed there also, these years have several differences to the '84-'87 years.
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The below pic is what the 1984 TT600 service manual says for gearing specs. Note that 2nd gear in this manual is saying 27/16 while the GearingComander is saying 27/17. I bet you are right. The GearingCommander has mistakes I believe.
I just did a little cross referencing of parts & I believe you are correct that there were some gearing changes during the 83-89 years. I have seen some transmission parts numbers for 83-89 XT & TT are the same, some transmission parts numbers for 83-85 XT & TT are the same, some transmission parts numbers for 86-89 XT & TT are the same, & some transmission parts numbers for 83-89 and even newer into the 1990s XT & TT are the same. When I have a moment I will compare out all the different parts & see what I can come up with for what went where when. Considering some parts between the 1983-1985 XT550s & XT600s differ with the 86-89 XT600s while the GearingCommander says 83-89 XT600s are all the same it is a safe bet that the GearingCommander has several errors.
Does anyone have the specs for gearing on the various XTs between 83-89?
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EDIT: I see the bearing that has different numbers between the XT and TT are actually the same trade number, so the physical dimensions are the same, it is the seal or seals that was changed, maybe they used a bearing that had 1 seal and the XT had none or 2 ect... have to look into why it was changed.
I did see the '84XT part breakdown, there is 2 carb assembly numbers, 1 for 49 states(and the rest of the world), 1 for California(leaner jetting only diff., third series of numbers is changed to 01, it shows the third series change to the standard part.
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All this sounds legit. I have read this via cross referencing parts & assumed all this to be correct.
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Momentum is indeed the other reason for the heavier flywheel, and for kicking it would again be nice to know just how much a difference it makes.
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I am not sure of the difference in kicking over the too fly wheels as I didn't have the my TT with a light weight fly wheel very long. The heavier fly wheel has to carry more force as it spins just cause of the physics of the whole scenario. When I had both fly wheels in my shop I weighed them. The 1985 TT fly wheel was 4lbs 8oz and the 1986 fly wheel was 6lbs 7.7oz. I don't have the TT fly wheel any more. I wish I did. I meant to measure its inner & outer diameters. I believe that while the inner diameter is the same between the two fly wheels the outer diameter is different. That is why if a TT or XT swap fly wheels the pulse pickup needs to be swapped too. It may have to due with something else though. When I swapped the fly wheel off my XT into my TT motor I swapped the stator & pulse pickup into my TT case & everything worked fine. I have read when the pulse pickups are not swapped things don't work. Maybe it has to due with some other aspect besides external width though I am not sure.
I just want to say thanks jjrider for helping get all this together. I don't always pay attention to member names on these forums. Today I just noticed we have been conversing on these topics across two forums & a couple different threads for over a month now. By far & large the info you have brought to these threads & other threads that I now realize you had a hand in with others folks have been a huge help. Thanks a lot for the help.
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