You've got all completely wrong, wet weight 219kg while most bigger adventure bikes are at 259kg that is heavy for you? Expensive??? come on, from where you get your numbers? it's probably the cheapest from the adventure bunch. But it has also other advantages over other bikes - it's probably the most economical bike off all, 3.1 l/100km! Just finished 900km trip over weekend, very comfortable seat, very nimble, very low center of gravity hence very good at low speeds. Tested offroad and it's also excellent. I suggest ride the bike before you criticize it. It is an excellent travel bike.

Glad that NC750 is working out for you! I wished you had disclosed you owned this bike when you started this thread a month back. You could have given us wisdom on the Optimal Bike Weight topic right from the start!

You are correct, I've never ridden the bike, only really followed the original NC700. Not sure the 750 is for sale in USA. Reminds more of a big scooter with the DCT. Tests put NC750 weight at 229 kgs. and 54 HP. Cost is about $10,000 usd. (£6800)

Reviews I've read on the NC700/750 voiced several complaints beyond the subjective judgement of the reviewer that his Coffee Maker has more personality.(Visor Down) Complaints continued, pointing out a wonky chassis, marginal brakes and the Auto clutch trans was not always in the right gear. But a lot to like too ... pottering round, comfy, smooth but uninspiring.

My worry would be that all that plastic would explode when you flip it into a ditch at just 20 mph. Even a low side might be bad news? What's a new set cost?

That's just one of many reasons why, IMHO, it may not be an ideal Adventure travel bike. As a street only machine, I'm sure it's fine. Glad you're having a ball ... that's what it's all about.

The 17" front tire is another reason I won't be riding one. Wide street tires really suck on gravel or dirt roads, add ruts, mud and loose rocks ... good luck. Been there, done that. No bueno.

As a quick comparo ... Honda XR650L and DR650 both weigh 147 kgs. dry. Think about power to weight ratio here compared to your NC. Now add enough luggage to go cross continent.

XR-L and DR650 cost around $6000 USD new, but can be had all day for $3500 for near mint used ones. The best thing about both are how indestructible they are. They crash well, easy, cheap to repair.

No, the DR and XR-L will not be as comfortable as your NX and fewer creature comforts, and I do love the NC fuel economy.
Test I read quoted 55 MPG. My DR gets 50 MPG.

So, to answer your question ... yes, to me it's both a bit heavy and a bit on the expensive side. Aesthetics aside (which put off many riders) it seems to have a few negatives. I've never seen one here in San Fran area ... but could mistake it for a big scooter.

What do these plastics actually do? I am pretty unfamiliar with the NC.


To me if they hold the headlight a la Weestrom they need protecting by either careful use or bars/guards etc. (more weight). If they are just cosmetic either leave them at home for the day you want to sell the bike or let them (like the rest of any travel bike) get cosmetically trashed.


I've taken the fairing off a BMW K100 (some of that fibreglass would be nigh on indestructible at 15mm thick, it would be thinner bits like mounting tags that break but can be fixed). With a blade type screen you could still use the 80HP on the motorway. As an outfit weight matters much less, but the beast was surprisingly good on sand and gravel mostly because there was a decent tyre choice.


All just the balance of choices the user chooses to make as usual.


Andy

ok, this is my last response to your nonsense mollydog.

Show me today a bike not full of plastic, even bikes which cost twice as ncx, at least I have full steel frame. Besides tell me what is the advantages of having more metal parts as wind covers, mud guards etc

17 inch wheels? your comments reveals only lack of experience. Been ridding on smaller wheels for years and don't see really any benefits of 21 inch except heavy off-road although even that not in every case. Have a look at 1200 ducati multistrada, great adventure bike on 17 inch wheels. Wider tyes are better on sand BTW.

DR650? top heavy unstable bike.

ok, don't have time for this.

After tapping away on my calculator that fuel economy works out at close to 90mpg. Is that for real? Is that what you got over your 900km trip? I'd heard they were good on fuel but that could convert me. Apart from a few occasions with my old XR600 I've never owned a serious travel bike that has regularly returned more than about 60mpg. My 125 Suzuki only does about 70-75mpg on a long journey as it's ridden flat out but whether that's a serious travel bike is open for debate.

I suppose that's the crux of this discussion; what constitutes an adventure trip? Does a 900km tarmac weekend count or does it have to be a multi week / month overland expedition with much of it off road? Personally I don't care much for definitions but a bike suitable for one of those trips is unlikely to be optimal for the other.

I'm currently planning (been talking about dates for it while typing this reply) a trip with a 500+kg bike covering about 12000km next year. Does that count as an adventure trip or is is just a long bike ride? If I use the 125 on the Mongol rally (possible plan B) am I adventuring or going on a package tour? I've no idea nor am I bothered about it but I suspect the optimal weight for both of those alternatives is going to be somewhat different.

for those who think 21 inches wheels is the only on for offroad...



and the review from rideapart, where they say ncx is a swiss army knife

http://rideapart.com/articles/rideap...w-honda-nc700x

yes, that's real 3.1 l/100km average on my 900km trip which constituted mostly of mountain, curvy, tarmac roads, and maybe 15% gravel roads. Bike is perfect, could be a little bit taller for me but it's still OK. The weight is spot on, not horrible heavy offroad and not light on highway.

I wouldn't worry about adventure definition. As long you are experiencing adventure that's all that count

and ducati multistrada offroad on 17 inches wheels: