Originally Posted by Threewheelbonnie

According to the manufacturer or a 3rd party test ?

The problem in China is almost cultural. They lie. I'm yet to meet a Chinese supplier who regrets anything except getting caught. The driver has never been to supply the best casting/circuit board/brake chamber or the best value for money, but to do the least work for the most personal gain. Many a quality manager has openly told me this, which is perversely honest and entirely workable once known.

This is why there is a vast difference between a proper western brand made in China and something entirely Chinese. Set the task and measure sucess ( with personal financial rewards) of protecting the brand by making a good vehicle and the Chinese will do it. Leave them alone and they are yet to decide to (unless you were to expect Sym to share the cultural aspects, in which case "mainland China" will get there in 50 years time).

Comparison with India or Thailand is as crazy as including Munich or Detroit, unless you want to go back to Victorian times before Heinz, Kelloggs, Ford etc. decided to brand build.

Eventually a Chinese brand with limited experience of Japanese or Western longer term practices will do it. They'll stock parts, honour warranty etc. to build their brand. I'll let someone else find out if this company is the one. The fact they decided not to market it under some defunct western name encourages me.

Andy

Originally Posted by AnTyx

Some of them look like they are getting there - I have heard very positive first-hand testimony from CFMoto owners.

Originally Posted by Tomkat

I suppose one could point to Enfield as some sort of evidence that developing nations don't build good bikes without big-brand western backers pulling their strings, but even that venerable brand has vocal supporters.

Write them off at your peril, and in the meantime a wise man will assess their products for what they are, not where they're built.