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SWM enduro

I popped into my local shop s'afternoon and was taken aback to see a brand new make of enduro. I know the name SWM from way back when I rode trials, but to see a trail biased 650 enduro at £5800 otr..........it was enough to give me impure thoughts so pease don't tell my beloved XT. The dealer said it is fundamentally a husky with Marzochi usd forks ,Sachs rear, grease nippled linkage, pillion pegs, 12 litre tank, 144kg. Anyone else seen one out n about?
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seen that also on a magazine
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Superdual - Adventure - SWM Motorcycles
the engine is coming from husqvarna.
ant this a "raid"model ...
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I popped into my local shop s'afternoon and was taken aback to see a brand new make of enduro. I know the name SWM from way back when I rode trials, but to see a trail biased 650 enduro at £5800 otr..........it was enough to give me impure thoughts so pease don't tell my beloved XT. The dealer said it is fundamentally a husky with Marzochi usd forks ,Sachs rear, grease nippled linkage, pillion pegs, 12 litre tank, 144kg. Anyone else seen one out n about?
I didn't realise that this bike had started to be imported to the UK.
The Italian company SWM have a longish, rather convoluted history of motorbike production - but which Italian bike manufacturer does not?
Company - SWM Motorcycles

They now have Chinese money invested in them, from Shineray.
It seems like a competitive price for these days and it is said that the bikes are assembled in Italy from parts shipped in from China, presumably the Shineray connection.
Just in case anyone is inclined toward the hoary old argument about Chinese manufacturing, it is worth remembering that Pirelli is now owned by a Chinese company. It does seem that China is moving in strongly on the Italian manufacturing capability.

Also, I understand that the same engine will be fitted in the new AJP PR7 when that comes to the market.
Small wonder that CCM have lowered their asking price for their GP450.

It will be interesting to see how many dealers start to stock the SWM products.
Models - SWM Motorcycles

The dealership situation for Europe looks like this at present:
Sales Network Europe - SWM Motorcycles

And the UK side of things for importation:
Home - swm-motorcycles
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AJP also have the new PR7 in DS spec with the Minarelli motor.



Reliable 660cc LC single with 50hp, good suspension and rally raid fairing for reasonable money. This alongside the SWM, CCM 450 and other outsiders will be bringing the fight to the 690 Enduro R a bit hopefully. Love the KTM but competition will further improve the sector.

http://www.ajpmotos.co.uk/ajp-news-a...x?itemid=32170

EDIT - Sorry got mixed up with the PR5 somehow, corrected.
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AJP also have the new PR7 in DS spec with the Minarelli motor.


Reliable 660cc LC DOHC single with 50hp, good suspension and rally raid fairing for reasonable money. This alongside the SWM, CCM 450 and other recent announcements will be bringing the fight to the 690 Enduro R a bit. Love the KTM but competition will further improve the sector.

http://www.ajpmotos.co.uk/ajp-news-a...x?itemid=32170

EDIT - Sorry got mixed up with the PR5 somehow, corrected.
I think they have ditched the 660cc Minarelli motor for the 600cc, Husqvarna derived, engine shown in the links above.
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12 litre tank
The Italian language website says 19 litre which is big enough for most uses. That's for the "Superdual"; perhaps you saw the enduro model earlier today?
That will be this one:
RS 650 R - Enduro - SWM Motorcycles

SWM do have quite a lot of models.
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I think they have ditched the 660cc Minarelli motor for the 600cc, Husqvarna derived, engine shown in the links above.
Ya know what, I had some real confusion about that; originally my post said it had the same motor as the SWM because I read something about it recently, then when I googled for another photo due to a PR5/PR7 photo mixup and almost every link said it had the Minarelli, including the AJP site so I frantically edited it again. Not my finest hour, sorry HU
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Ya know what, I had some real confusion about that; originally my post said it had the same motor as the SWM because I read something about it recently, then when I googled for another photo due to a PR5/PR7 photo mixup and almost every link said it had the Minarelli, including the AJP site so I frantically edited it again. Not my finest hour, sorry HU
It's a changeable world!
I just mixed up the enduro with the superdual; maybe there will be a SWM stand at the NEC show for this next week and they can be viewed.

I read somewhere that AJP won't be showing the PR7 this year, but it was in Milan apparently.
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It's a changeable world!
I just mixed up the enduro with the superdual; maybe there will be a SWM stand at the NEC show for this next week and they can be viewed.

I read somewhere that AJP won't be showing the PR7 this year, but it was in Milan apparently.
I'm popping up to the NEC tomorrow so I'll let you know what I find in the land of AJP and SWM!
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The Italian language website says 19 litre which is big enough for most uses. That's for the "Superdual"; perhaps you saw the enduro model earlier today?
That will be this one:
RS 650 R - Enduro - SWM Motorcycles

SWM do have quite a lot of models.
It was definately 'enduro'. The shop had a road wheel version of the same bike as well, So are you saying that there is a big tank version of the same bike? Wow that would be worth test riding
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The Italian language website says 19 litre which is big enough for most uses. That's for the "Superdual"; perhaps you saw the enduro model earlier today?
That will be this one:
RS 650 R - Enduro - SWM Motorcycles

SWM do have quite a lot of models.
It was definately 'enduro'. The shop had a road wheel version of the same bike as well, So are you saying that there is a big tank version of the same bike? Wow that would be worth test riding
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I'd be surprised if SWM uses a "Husky" engine. Remember, Husky is owned by KTM ... has been a few years now. A Husqvarna is now just a KTM in slightly different spec and set up with differences to body work/graphics.

The old "Italian" Huskies are long gone ... or are they? Maybe SWM are using left over Engines from Italy? But wouldn't KTM own those ...? Or BMW ? (BMW sold Husqvarna to KTM ... very cheap!)

Not sure KTM would approve supplying engines to a Chinese competitor ... and Bajai (who own half KTM) may not either ... or ... ??? maybe this "Husky" engine is one produced in India? (like 390 Duke) I've heard they would be having more involvement in KTM/Husky product line.

Anyone know for sure the true manufacture origin of the Minarelli engine?

I did not know Pirelli was in Chinese hands. I guess in Italy, everything is for sale. Changing world indeed.
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There is Chinese money ( they have nothing to spend it on) and Chinese components in everything. The difference between tat and decent products is the management.

I like the look of their SR400/MASH road bike competitor.

If the UK importer reads this; get one of your staff to ride 5000 miles over the winter. The first Chinese brand that proves their bike does not turn into a rusty puddle has my serious attention. A parts catalogue with availability on line then secures my money.

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It was definately 'enduro'. The shop had a road wheel version of the same bike as well, So are you saying that there is a big tank version of the same bike? Wow that would be worth test riding
Yes, it's the "dualsport" in the link below.
19L tank and about 15 Kg heavier than the enduro model.

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Superdual - Adventure - SWM Motorcycles
the engine is coming from husqvarna.
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To give an idea ;
It is my friend , the local SUZ dealer, who showed me this bike on " moto journal" . It is a legend to ride a SWM, they were in advance in the 80'.
And the husky are different from ktm . Damn' pushing engines.
What i found out in my little riding on hard trails is that the dampers, forks and weight as homogeneity make the différence.
Il is like passing through a time tunnel from 80 on a loaded XT to now on a light DRZ.
This SWM adventure is gonna be something . on trails .
And dont want to buy a Honda 500
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