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850 or thereabouts is more than enough and will fill a niche in the range but will still be a 200kg+ tank off road.

Can't see a new '250 AT' being a single – that's what the CRF-L Rally is, no?
But there is currently no 250 twin engine in Honda's range afaik.
There was talk (see YT) that the Thai-built CRF250L is for the chop this year.
So maybe a new, high-revving, leaner burning 250 twin is on the way and, like the 3-bike CB500 range, will include a mini AT?

It would make sense for the young image-conscious Asian market where most of such bikes sell.

I must have a spin on that 300 Kawa now the shops are open again.
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Yamaha released the Tenere 250 model back in 2006 in Brasil I believe, about 130 kgs (dry) as a single cylinder. Not sure if Honda would release a high revving 250 AT? Even if they did my limited understanding of engines is that you would be looking at a wet weight of 170 kgs and up.

Then we have the current view from the manufacturers that 250's are "budget models" and wouldn't get the stock farkles you would want with a RW travel bike. I wonder if someone did make a 250-400cc twin, 300km+ range travel bike with abs, comfortable seat and decent subframe/sheep rack would the western world be prepared to spend more $$ on it? Would we spend $7,000+ for a Versys 400?

We seem to be in the Jeremy Clarkson mindset of 'POWER!!' when comparing costs of bikes, i.e. why buy a fancy 250 when you can get a 500cc bike!

Would love to play on one though, after running my Himalayan in for the past few thousand km's I do miss the smoothness of a twin engine especially if I'm trying to climb hills at load. As someone put it on here or the ADV forums 'the engine sounds like a skeleton pleasuring itself in a biscuit tin!'
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