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Hi all,
I have had the road bikes in the past, and some really fancy point and squirt stuff. > 260km/h
I am happier on an Enduro / adventure type bike hense the AT and the BMW.
One bike that has crossed my mind more than once is teh Yamaha TDM.
My friend had the early TNM 850, an I was quite impressed with it.
Now of course thay have moved up to 900cc and I think there is a gearbox change also?
So how is the TDM fitting into my picture, 850 or 900 like I said, mostly tarmac.
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Hi all,
I have had the road bikes in the past, and some really fancy point and squirt stuff. > 260km/h
I am happier on an Enduro / adventure type bike hense the AT and the BMW.
One bike that has crossed my mind more than once is teh Yamaha TDM.
My friend had the early TNM 850, an I was quite impressed with it.
Now of course thay have moved up to 900cc and I think there is a gearbox change also?
So how is the TDM fitting into my picture, 850 or 900 like I said, mostly tarmac.
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I've never owned a TDM but I have been on a friends' 850, quite a few years ago, and I do think that this bike remains very under estimated. It has not been a big seller in the UK but, again, it has a following and they come up at very attractive second hand prices quite regularly.
It is still in production and I saw a new one just yesterday in a dealer with an asking price of £6600. Of course, all Yamaha new bikes are very expensive at present in the UK - this has been ascribed to the Yen-£ exchange rate but I am not so sure; certainly the dealers are prepared to do deals! £1000 off for a new XT660Z Tenere for instance.
The list price for a Vmax is £21,500 by the way; just thought you would like to know that.
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In Switzerland you can have TDM 850 for dirt cheap, around 1500-2000$, nobody wants them. And I can tell you why. I have one and did around 40'000km with it. The bike I disliked the most to any other bike I rod, but then I was not very experimented and thought it looked good.
First it's very heavy, the center of gravity is very high, and in comparaison with a good old BMW R100GS, it seems much heavier. Then, then engine. it's personnal but I prefear to have an engine that vibrates, that some some noise, rather than something that seems to be an electric engine, with no noise at all... Absolutely not exiting. After that I got myself a Dominator, and was much happier riding, even with almost half of the power.
Then. As soon as you need to do something on this, bike, oyu have to take of all the fairings and the tank, even to access the battery.
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AT versus F650 (funduro)
Hi there I had a 91 AT and loved the look the ride basically everything except the weight and the height I am 5'7 with a 28" inside leg so when I swapped for a single cylinder 650cc BMW funduro (97)I was amazed at the difference in height and weight. FWIW I think the single cylinder thumper is fantastic its got plenty of torque and cruises comfortably at 80 contrary to what everyone else says I have no problem with vibrations and regularly travel on the motorways. Nearly all my riding is on tarmac with a little gravel and dirt tracks and the funduro copes, no not copes thrives on both surfaces. I personally do not like the new F650 (800cc) probably because I havent actually ridden one but they arent singles so as long as mine keeps doing all I ask of it I wont be changing lol Try an old funduro with easily 65 MPG and soooo comfortable.
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18 May 2012
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Hi all,
The AT was OK, but I think it was top heavy, or maybe i was expecting to chuck it around more than what I was able to.
Any way, the AT is back with my brother, who also has a Pan European.
I am really thinking about the BMW F650GS (800cc) and the Yamaha TDM 900cc.
The older pre 2002 TDM was a 850cc with a 5 speed g/box
the post 2002 is a 900cc with a 6 speed g/box
Strangely it seems the newer 900cc is a bit down on power as to the older 850cc, perhaps some emissions control thing ?
74 hp for the newer and 79 hp for the older.
However, as the newer has a 6 speed box, it gets more range out of a smaller ( 1 liter less) tank, ie, newer gets 170 miles, older 155 miles.
If any one can give me some more actual experience on riding the TND's then please chime in,.
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18 May 2012
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I think it all comes down of what you are expecting from a bike.
I test ride the new F650GS and G650Gs, they feal really light and easy to drive, I didn't like the parallel twin for the same reason I hated it on the TDM, no character at all, no noise, nothing. The single cylinder is much more fun to ride.
If you go for a TDM, test ride it first.
If you can affort it, the 1200GS is the best in his class, I really like it, but it's too expensive for me.
At the moment I have a Cagiva Gran Canyon 900 (ducati 900 engine), and I must say, it's by far the best dual purpose bike I ever owned. I feels really light, the engine is incredible, the bike looks much nicer as many nowadays bikes, and the handling is fantastic.
Of course, the imagine of Cagiva is pretty bad, but on ebay on can find all parts, and the engine is very common ducati, so parts are available easily.
Good luck ;-)
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In 1999 I sold a 1990 R/W/B RD04 @ to help finance the bmw r100gs I thought I had to have for my RTW trip.
We all make mistakes.
In 2009 (long after my trip ended) there was a 1995 R/W/B (flames) RD07 @ for sale locally, so without thinking too long I bought it. I sleep much better now. My bike life has gone full circle.
So, Life after the @ = realise you made a mistake and buy another 
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Originally Posted by uk_vette
Hi all,
The AT was OK, but I think it was top heavy, or maybe i was expecting to chuck it around more than what I was able to.
Any way, the AT is back with my brother, who also has a Pan European.
I am really thinking about the BMW F650GS (800cc) and the Yamaha TDM 900cc.
The older pre 2002 TDM was a 850cc with a 5 speed g/box
the post 2002 is a 900cc with a 6 speed g/box
Strangely it seems the newer 900cc is a bit down on power as to the older 850cc, perhaps some emissions control thing ?
74 hp for the newer and 79 hp for the older.
However, as the newer has a 6 speed box, it gets more range out of a smaller ( 1 liter less) tank, ie, newer gets 170 miles, older 155 miles.
If any one can give me some more actual experience on riding the TND's then please chime in,.
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If you can get hold of a copy of the UK "Ride" mag for July 12 it is running an article about buying second hand TDMs - both engine sizes.
It seems like a useful read with a lot of basic information; there are not many downsides listed - those mentioned relate to the usual generic Yamaha thing of furring fastenings (they all do that sir, especially when you ride during the winter) and some issues with electrical connections.
Apparently, production ceased in 2010 but they are still available, new.
The 18 inch front wheel is a limitation but you can fit other Yam wheels.
It is quite a detailed report with too much to state here but you could look at their recommended webpages:-
www.carpe-tdm.net
http://jbx9.free.fr/tdm
The article also suggests a google of "master brewer tdm".
Hope this helps!
ps just done the search and masterbrewer is all one word:- http://masterbrewer-adventureriderep...rer-specs.html
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Hello all,
I was thinking,,,,,,,,,,,
As i will move up a "size" from a 750cc At, to the 850cc / 900cc TDM, would it be too much to throw another good bike into the ring?
I was thinking the Honda Varadero ?
I guess the Varadero is the replacement Africa Twin?
Africa Twin 750cc off set V twin (behaving like a big single) Varadero 1000cc, also a big V twin.
Any one any thing to say on the 900cc TDM versus the 1000cc Varadero?
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