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Actually you don´t, because the standard EFI box is programmable. You´ll just need to connect it to a laptop with proper software on it (this is usually done at the dealer during other maintenance) and adjust fuel amounts just a little at low rpm on partial throttle openings.
But I´m sure the dealers, who sell Power commander or similar systems would disagree, it is their business afterall!!
For me, it´s FI all the way nowadays, simple as that. I´ve had several carb´d bikes (and cars) during the years, and in FI, both functionality and dependability are just superior, even if/when planning an overland-trip to faraway countries.
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Hi Pecha72,
Whether you use a power commander ,use your own computer with the correct program or go to the dealer to have the fueling altered [ IF he can do it properly ] .The principle is the same .
My point is that you are stepping up the cost and utilising technology that is beyond the brain and screwdriver .
I don't go to dealers ,because they are expensive and in the most part incompetent .
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Hi Pecha72,
Whether you use a power commander ,use your own computer with the correct program or go to the dealer to have the fueling altered [ IF he can do it properly ] .The principle is the same .
My point is that you are stepping up the cost and utilising technology that is beyond the brain and screwdriver .
I don't go to dealers ,because they are expensive and in the most part incompetent .
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Most ECU's aren't remappable anyway. Some can be flashed with new firmware but only by maps supplied BY the manufacturer of the bike.
This is exactly why power commanders exist !!
I have to agree with Dodger... 99% of dealers wouldnt know what to do with a rolling road and a power commader but there are websites full of maps with different sets ups that you can download. For that, I really like FI as it's pretty much plug and play.
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23 Mar 2011
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Originally Posted by Dodger
Hi Pecha72,
Whether you use a power commander ,use your own computer with the correct program or go to the dealer to have the fueling altered [ IF he can do it properly ] .The principle is the same .
My point is that you are stepping up the cost and utilising technology that is beyond the brain and screwdriver .
I don't go to dealers ,because they are expensive and in the most part incompetent .
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It took less than 5 minutes to adjust my Vstrom´s ECU (to fix that running at low revs), so cost isnt an issue here. And I know you can make more precise adjustments with a PC, so if I was building a race bike, then it might make sense. A Vstrom can run just fine without it.
I don´t know about the quality of the dealers in your area, but that adjustment is really very basic.
Complicated technology? Well, maybe, if you compare to a screwdriver, but like pointed out here, FI´s actually been around for ages, it works really well, and has clear advantages compared to what was before.
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Originally Posted by pecha72
It took less than 5 minutes to adjust my Vstrom´s ECU (to fix that running at low revs), so cost isnt an issue here. And I know you can make more precise adjustments with a PC, so if I was building a race bike, then it might make sense. A Vstrom can run just fine without it.
I don´t know about the quality of the dealers in your area, but that adjustment is really very basic.
Complicated technology? Well, maybe, if you compare to a screwdriver, but like pointed out here, FI´s actually been around for ages, it works really well, and has clear advantages compared to what was before.
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Shop charges are around $95 to $110 an hour , one hour minimum charge .
I wouldn't trust them with my wheelbarrow !
Ride safe and prosper . 
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Thanks, TurboCharger
I obviously am not fluent with computer stuff and am inept at searching. I was not aware one could search the site using Google.
I joined as a Gold member to support the site, read posts for 10 months trying to learn and find my way around, and get spanked for my third post.
Sorry I irritated you. Anyway, I do appreciate you teaching me how to search. Thank you.
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I obviously am not fluent with computer stuff and am inept at searching. I was not aware one could search the site using Google.
I joined as a Gold member to support the site, read posts for 10 months trying to learn and find my way around, and get spanked for my third post.
Sorry I irritated you. Anyway, I do appreciate you teaching me how to search. Thank you.
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Don't be disgruntled... The search function on the hubb is CR*P and oftens returns no results so there are plenty of questions asked over and over and over (by me too).
Welcome to the Hubb and long may you be a member 
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Thanks, Touring Ed
Thank you for your encouragement. It's nice to feel welcomed.
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I personally do not mind EFI at all. However, newer bikes with EFI tend to also have a lot of other electronics, which make (IMHO) service during a trip harder. Things like electronic ABS, FI dependent on catalyst readings, gear sensors, sensors for this, sensors for that.
While there is nothing _wrong_ with it, I do not know how to diagnose elaborate electronics issues in the field.
Hence I, personally, would rather take my '93 TransAlp on a big trip than a GS800.
Then again, YMMV...
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