I read this info in paper form in Dealer News. Never saw it online. I'm sure it's available online but i'm not wasting time searching for it.

You really believe I'm making this stuff up, off the top of my head? All just a fantasy of mine, eh? And who would you believe? Hey, don't take my word, do some research if you really care.

Trust me, it is COMMON KNOWLEDGE in the industry. Every editor I've met is well aware of BMW's poor record and checkered history and continual poor showing in this area. BMW work hard to dispel it but there it is..... popping up again ... and again .... and again.

You and Margus really believe I'm a liar? That my goal is to make BMW guys feel bad!

Cheap shot man.
There are far more than two Japanese models that have done big miles. I'm sorry if you guys don't get big four products in Estonia or you pay more for them. Here, they are relatively cheap and available in the, its mostly what sells. BMW's are out there too but around towns you mostly see Jap bikes.

And your right. HD guys do zero miles I can see you really have done your homework regards HD guys and how much they ride!
Like I said, BMW= 3% of bikes in the US. HD? Take a guess Ein-stonia.

I guess BMW dealers in Estonia charge less? But here in the US it is the number one complaint among owners. Read any BMW forum/blog. Service prices are crazy expensive. Like $700 for a basic service.

Japanese dealers charge a lot too, but most common service parts are available aftermarket and are cheap (brake pads, filter). Hard to know for sure, I've not bought a part for any one of the dozen or so jap bikes I've owned in the last few years. You see, they just DO NOT FAIL! GET IT?

You're complaining about OIL FILTER prices? We can choose about four different inexpensive aftermarket oil filters here. Maybe $5 each? Plastic parts too are reasonable. And I'm not worried about changing oil every 4000 miles either.

I just don't want to have to change the Diode board again, the Stator again,
or the battery again, as is common on many BMW's old and new ... or worse yet ... the ABS computer! Have you priced one lately? And please tell me those industry surveys are lies! .... BMW could not possibly have that many failed Drive Line/shaft/Trans in this modern day and age !!!! .... could they? Please give us your brilliant Estonian knowledge on this one. It must all be a conspiracy, Ya?

Sometimes truth is painful Stop being so defensive towards BMW.
What have they ever done for you? Are you guys both Dealers? Do BMW send you free T-Shirts ?

Parts
You are wrong again. Both BMW and Japanese prices for parts are fairly high. I would say that overall most Japanese parts are a bit cheaper ..... at least here in the USA.

But Jap bikes and parts in the UK (as an example) are typically about 50% more to what they are here (with exchange rate figured in) I'd imagine in Eastern EU its maybe the same? or worse? My condolences.

You totally missed my point with my "Good film making" comment. I'll leave that one for others to comment on.

I can see you don't get it. I must be lying again
See my last post for a more detailed explanation of why racing is valuable.

Yep, for sure referring to a group as "dilettantes" sure is
derogatory! Now that is funny!

I'm not worried about proving credibility with you Mr. W-Hog. You don't know me from Adam. But its clear from your uninformed and ignorant statements you don't exude much credibility yourself. 'nuff said.

Read my posts here on the HUBB and tell me where you see holes in my "credibility".

Patrick

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