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Old 21 Mar 2011
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Aprilia Pegaso Trail (660) VS Yamaha XT660Z Tenere

There is very little info regarding the Pegaso Trail on the hubb compared to other bikes. This is probably due to them not being very popular.


Well, it has the same engine as the Tenere but it's A LOT cheaper to buy second hand. Literally 1000-1500 cheaper for the same mileage and age.

I know plenty about the Tenere but interested to hear real world Pegaso (660) stories and if anyone has owned both machines.

I found a couple of comparison specs.. Comparativa de YAMAHA XT 660 Z Tenere vs APRILIA Pegaso 650 Trail


The Pegaso is 168kg dry which is consideradly lighter than the tenere at 183kg
The tenere has a 23L tank compared to the Pegasos 16L
Tenere has 21" front wheel compared to the Pegasos 19.

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I think you would be better placed pitching the XT660R against the Pegaso - more of a like-for-like comparison.
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When did they start to use the Yam 660? always thought they used the BMW f650.
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I had the old peg very briefly and had nothing but problems with it, so swapped it for a tiger.

The peg trail, I rode one on Borneo with: http://www.borneobikingadventures.com whilst oin honeymoon last year.

I felt it lacked a bit of grunt but was enjoyable to ride and felt fine on most of th e surfaces we rode. didn't do anything techincal as we were 2 up for the day tho.
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I think you would be better placed pitching the XT660R against the Pegaso - more of a like-for-like comparison.
I totally agree with you....

BUT..... I was looking to buy the 660 Tenere as a first choice but used prices are still around the £4000 mark and even the 660R goes for 3000-3500.. The pegasos are about for the £2000 mark which is my current budget for a second bike.
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Thats a fair point Ted.

I've just had a look around and the prices are just daft, I've got 24k miles on mine, it's 3 years old (nearly) and I reckon it's cost me about £1k in lost value if the current prices are reached..... That's the closest I've come to making money on a bike in,,, erm lots of years!


JMo's fine machine is still for sale, though I think it's beyond your budget

..and I did see this on EvilBay -> Yamaha XT660R 2006 06reg BLUE CLEAN BIKE 12M.O.T on eBay (end time 02-Apr-11 11:33:23 BST)
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Hi Ted

if it help's I have had a XT660R and now a XT660Z.

the R was used for two up touring doing over 5500 miles in 3 weeks 2 up. and still getting over 70mpg . I also entered a off road event on it.
It's a good bike.

The Z does all of that just a bit better.


If you look around you can still get a 08 Tenere for £3500.

Your right you can get a R for more than a £1000 less. If your doing most of your riding solo then the R will do it all.
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Please under no circumstances consider a Pegaso. I bought one myself and it was the worst bike I have ever owned. I have had 5 Pegs of varying years from 95 onwards and they have always been good fire-road bikes, capable of a decent turn of speed and quite reliable other than a faulty water-pump, a common snag. They had a 5 valve rotax head instead of the 4 valve unit BMW fitted to the funduro. It made it a little quicker but cost more to run, either way it was still fine. The Cube was a great all rounder, faster than most bikes in the same class.
Eventually I bought the Trail. Different bike altogether. Build quality is absolutely appalling. My problems began with brake light switches going. The front crumbled into bits, the back snapped in half. I replaced them with upgraded switches. Next it fell off the stand at work (was pushed I think) and fell onto an old abandoned sofa. It tore off a mirror and did damage to the pegs. That worried me a lot, a tiny fall did a lot of damage and it fell on soft foam.
Then I used it through the winter and the engine finish peeled visibly off the bike. After that I tried to fit a power commander. Now on early bikes you have no choice, they simply will not run without it, later ones with 02 sensor you can't. Suddenly the bike stalled, died and never ran again. It intermittently showed fault codes for a failed temperature sensor and three other sensors as well as suddenly was not able to read the chip in the key. Then I found out on the various forums that this is a common fuel pump fault. The pump is 2 electric toy-car motors in a polythene bag. Nothing got it working but along the way I was horrified at the corners cut in the building of this bike. In the end a workaround fix was to kick the side of the tank where the pump was and yes, it ran again for an hour or so but when it rained the key sensor died. After doing some homework on the Aprillia forum this is a common fault, there are many more. The owners are oddly in love with their bikes but at one point the top 5 posts on the Pegaso forum was fuel pump failures.
I got burned on mine so please consider this when thinking of these bikes. They're also expensive to run, not as quick as an XT for some reason and the accessories are hard to find and Aprillia ones broke (mine did).
Your money is better spent elsewhere. I'm sorry for anyone who has one but when i did my homework trying to fix mine I found a lot out about these machines. 2 guys on the Aprillia forum used them to go over South America. 1 did break down several times.
Sorry guys... just don't do it...
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Please under no circumstances consider a Pegaso. I bought one myself and it was the worst bike I have ever owned. I have had 5 Pegs of varying years from 95 onwards and they have always been good fire-road bikes, capable of a decent turn of speed and quite reliable other than a faulty water-pump, a common snag. They had a 5 valve rotax head instead of the 4 valve unit BMW fitted to the funduro. It made it a little quicker but cost more to run, either way it was still fine. The Cube was a great all rounder, faster than most bikes in the same class.
Eventually I bought the Trail. Different bike altogether. Build quality is absolutely appalling. My problems began with brake light switches going. The front crumbled into bits, the back snapped in half. I replaced them with upgraded switches. Next it fell off the stand at work (was pushed I think) and fell onto an old abandoned sofa. It tore off a mirror and did damage to the pegs. That worried me a lot, a tiny fall did a lot of damage and it fell on soft foam.
Then I used it through the winter and the engine finish peeled visibly off the bike. After that I tried to fit a power commander. Now on early bikes you have no choice, they simply will not run without it, later ones with 02 sensor you can't. Suddenly the bike stalled, died and never ran again. It intermittently showed fault codes for a failed temperature sensor and three other sensors as well as suddenly was not able to read the chip in the key. Then I found out on the various forums that this is a common fuel pump fault. The pump is 2 electric toy-car motors in a polythene bag. Nothing got it working but along the way I was horrified at the corners cut in the building of this bike. In the end a workaround fix was to kick the side of the tank where the pump was and yes, it ran again for an hour or so but when it rained the key sensor died. After doing some homework on the Aprillia forum this is a common fault, there are many more. The owners are oddly in love with their bikes but at one point the top 5 posts on the Pegaso forum was fuel pump failures.
I got burned on mine so please consider this when thinking of these bikes. They're also expensive to run, not as quick as an XT for some reason and the accessories are hard to find and Aprillia ones broke (mine did).
Your money is better spent elsewhere. I'm sorry for anyone who has one but when i did my homework trying to fix mine I found a lot out about these machines. 2 guys on the Aprillia forum used them to go over South America. 1 did break down several times.
Sorry guys... just don't do it...
Thanks so much for the info.. After reading some forums and other owner reviews, I feared this...

This is obviously why they're £1000 cheaper than an XT660 for the same miles/year..

Cheers again, Ted
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I was so disappointed. I have had 4 of these before, my favourite being the 95 just because it looked so good, had real usability and was very easy to work on.
Myself, my brother and uncle went out together for a ride, my brother on a Tenere, my uncle on an XT and the Peg did not have as much go in it which was silly, it has the same state of tune and is lighter.
The shame is that it's a lovely comfortable machine that handles well. It ticked all my boxes until things started going wrong. Sadly there is a reason they're cheaper. Ironically I now have a BMW G650 X which is built in the same factory at the same time and it's actually the best bike I've had. Worth noting that I go to the motorcycle auctions and they can be had for roughly the same price as a Peg now. They just never caught on.
When it comes to the Tenere my brother did't have it long. He said it felt heavy and breathless, the build quality and finish was poor and he actually had 2 minor spills on it which is odd, he never crashes. Twice someone pulled out on him and he ditched the bike, he said it was just too heavy to pull round the obstacle and he dropped it. In respect to the bike there was virtually no damage, the hard panels did their magic. I think they're a great adv tourer which could maybe do with more power. Shame they never fitted it with the TDM 900 engine. None of us would be buying anything else.
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I hadn't considered the 650X..I might have a look
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It is a great machine with some significant design drawbacks such as a weak alloy subframe which is no use for luggage and a tiny 9.5l tank. Deal with those and it's a great little bike. I'm as happy as a lobotomised monkey with mine.
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It is a great machine with some significant design drawbacks such as a weak alloy subframe which is no use for luggage and a tiny 9.5l tank. Deal with those and it's a great little bike. I'm as happy as a lobotomised monkey with mine.
Is yours the Country or the challenge ??

I'm used to alloy subframes and pack light accordingly. Don't the newer models have a steel subframe ?? Or is that just the country? I'm not sure !!

I hear MPG is AWESOME, getting 200 miles from a tank ? Really ??

I like the fact it's got a Rotax engine and they seem to have ironed out all the problems of the earlier F650GS donkey...(please ppl, no turning this into a F650 thread)..

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You should read 'The hunt for Puerto Del Faglioli'. Paddy Tyson had plenty to say about the Peg. I have a Tenere and am very happy with it. Went 2 up fully loaded Ushuaia to Alaska. The rectifier packed up after about 17,000 miles but thats understandable after the miles. I think there is a simple reason you dont see many Pegs on the road !
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Please under no circumstances consider a Pegaso. I bought one myself and it was the worst bike I have ever owned. I have had 5 Pegs of varying years from 95 onwards and they have always been good fire-road bikes, capable of a decent turn of speed and quite reliable other than a faulty water-pump, a common snag. They had a 5 valve rotax head instead of the 4 valve unit BMW fitted to the funduro. It made it a little quicker but cost more to run, either way it was still fine. The Cube was a great all rounder, faster than most bikes in the same class.
Eventually I bought the Trail. Different bike altogether. Build quality is absolutely appalling. My problems began with brake light switches going. The front crumbled into bits, the back snapped in half. I replaced them with upgraded switches. Next it fell off the stand at work (was pushed I think) and fell onto an old abandoned sofa. It tore off a mirror and did damage to the pegs. That worried me a lot, a tiny fall did a lot of damage and it fell on soft foam.
Then I used it through the winter and the engine finish peeled visibly off the bike. After that I tried to fit a power commander. Now on early bikes you have no choice, they simply will not run without it, later ones with 02 sensor you can't. Suddenly the bike stalled, died and never ran again. It intermittently showed fault codes for a failed temperature sensor and three other sensors as well as suddenly was not able to read the chip in the key. Then I found out on the various forums that this is a common fuel pump fault. The pump is 2 electric toy-car motors in a polythene bag. Nothing got it working but along the way I was horrified at the corners cut in the building of this bike. In the end a workaround fix was to kick the side of the tank where the pump was and yes, it ran again for an hour or so but when it rained the key sensor died. After doing some homework on the Aprillia forum this is a common fault, there are many more. The owners are oddly in love with their bikes but at one point the top 5 posts on the Pegaso forum was fuel pump failures.
I got burned on mine so please consider this when thinking of these bikes. They're also expensive to run, not as quick as an XT for some reason and the accessories are hard to find and Aprillia ones broke (mine did).
Your money is better spent elsewhere. I'm sorry for anyone who has one but when i did my homework trying to fix mine I found a lot out about these machines. 2 guys on the Aprillia forum used them to go over South America. 1 did break down several times.
Sorry guys... just don't do it...
I'm finding many posts from this individual on any forum mentioning Aprilia Pegaso's.

I've had mine for 3 years, and have not had a single issue with failures that were not brought on by my own abuse of the machine. And I ride the crap out of it on forestry trails. Suspension's too short for that, poor thing..... Also Paddy rode the old Rotax engined bike. Never owned one, so can't comment.

They're cheap because no-one knows about them as they're not marketed well. Other than that, for no great reason. The rear frame bolts need to be locktighted or they come loose. The fuel pump will fail around 30,000kms and is easily replaced with whatever, someone with some reasonable motor skills can adapt in a new pump from another machine as the factory one is small as it's designed to fit in with a fuel gauge on other models. Trail doesn't have a fuel gauge. The instrument cluster will take in steam from the exhaust if you go through water or wash it hot. It's a doddle to remove and seal it. If you don't, the cluster will fail.
The front forks are 45mm, larger than many others, and the bike doesn't look like a science experiment. The engine is the same 660cc Minarelli found in the current Tenere and pulls like a 15 year old boy. As with all bikes, free up the intake and exhaust and fit a PC3 and even better. The injection system works fine, some complain of a miss around 4,000RPM but mine doesn't have this issue. Brakes are good Brembo's.

I think you'll find there are more posts about G650 and F800 BMW failures than are any about Pegaso's, when considering them the trick is to make sure the 'drama' posts aren't from the same person........

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