G'Day,

get real, once again...big BS .... do your homework... do not fall for the money making Chinese Chang-Jiang scam.

since 1st.October 2006 no more old or "written off" Chang-Jiang license
(registration) will be issued in Shanghai municipality.

lifespan of a Shanghai Chang-Jiang license (registration) reduced to 10 years
now, before 12 years. only the date of inital registration counts! 10 years and its over + out....

current Chang-Jiang license plates (registration) CANNOT be transferred
anymore. you have 10 years total, check your blue book registration, the initial registration date counts!

you cannot transfer Shanghai Chang-Jiang license (registration)
anymore from written off bike to a brandnew one! black market
Shanghai Chang-Jiang license (registration) not valid anymore since 1st.October 2006.....

buyers beware! double check when buying a used CJ bike in "bikers-
paradise" Shanghai or the rest of Mainland China.....

all the self aclaimed China bike experts put a smile on my face over a few Bundaberg Rum + Coke.... with a lot of ice!

cheers, happy travels, regards,
BUTCH

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Somewhere down the road in China since '89 ~ along the route I've learned the hard way that pleasing everyone is impossible, but pissing everybody off is a piece of cake....TBR

I did my homework very well, and also my friend did his homework very well. The information we have about Shanghai traffic rules come from the traffic bureau itself, not via via.

Lucky there is a lot of China outside of Shanghai.

When I read your messages you seem to be 'the self aclaimed China bike expert'.

We did our homework, the Shanghai traffic bureau learned me and my friend several interesting things:
1) It is allowed to drive a Chang Jiang with attached side car in Shanghai city center, even with a non-Shanghai license plate. This is allowed because the rules for 2-wheel motorcycle do not apply for 3-wheel motorcycles.
Also all the signs forbidding motorcycles to drive into a road do only apply for 2-wheel motorcycle. If they want to forbid 3-wheel motorcycle to drive into a street without forbidding cars they have to put a special sign for 3-wheel motorcycles. But that sign does not exist! My friend once find such a sign, but the traffic bureau told him that sign is illegal.

2) It is allowed to drive a CJ with attached sidecar on the elevated road, even during peak hours because it is a 3-wheel motorcycle, 2-wheel motorcycles are not allowed. The only thing that is not allowed is to enter the elevated road on peak hours when you do not have a Shanghai-plate. Driving on the elevated road with a non-Shanghai plate during peak hours is allowed as long as you have not entered it during peak hours.

The rules mentioned above only apply for Shanghai, the rules in other cities in China are different. In most cities the signs for 2-wheel motorcycles also apply for 3-wheel motorcycles. Also a 3-wheel motorcycle is only a 3-wheel motorcycle when it is named a 3-wheel motorcycle in the license. You can not just put a sidecar on your 2-wheel motorcycle to make it a 3-wheel motorcycle. Also it is not allowed to drive a 3-wheel motorcycle without the sidecar.

So, I hope this cleared up some things about the things allowed and not allowed in Shanghai. If somebody questions the things I said about traffic rules in Shanghai I sudgest to ask a well informed person from the traffic bureau, not just any police officer on the street.

Greetings,
Roel Hendrickx

ps) What kind of license does your HD have that you have for sale Butch? Is it legal to drive it in China?

G'Day,

they moved a while ago to:

Shanghai Vehicle Management Bureau, Licence office at No. 179 Qing Chun Road , Xin Zhuang (Near Chun Shen Road / Hu Min Road ). The tel. no. is 021-64987070 x 54280......

best regards, Happy travels,
Butch

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Somewhere down the road in China since '89 ~ along the route I've learned the hard way that pleasing everyone is impossible, but pissing everybody off is a piece of cake....TBR

Butch,
Stay in touch, we're near Grand Canyon.
Allen.