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Hi all, I'm wondering if anyone knows what the best process is for temporarily transferring ownership of a foreign registered motorcycle (Thailand) from its owner to me so that I can have all paperwork like reg. papers, carnets etc, in my name? The plan is to ride the bike from France to Thailand and return it to its owner, who lives in Bangkok. I get the impression that trying to make such a journey with just a 'power of Attorney' document won't be sufficient... Here's hoping someone can help with advice?!
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If you are U.K. based you would be advised to get the bike to the U.K. ( physically), and perhaps register it in your name. There is no such thing as a temporary transfer of ownership or registered keeper.
Your best bet is to get your friend in Thailand to have your name included on his registration document as a second owner, which would help enormously.
1.You will not be able to do anything with the bike in France unless you are a French resident or have a permanent provable address here.
2. If you go the re registration route in the U.K., it must conform to the standards required for registration, and usually a European Certificate of conformity is required for imported bikes so that it is compliant to Uk and European road worthiness standards. A thai registered bike might not conform as regulations are different. However if it is a well known brand ( like a BMW or other) a cert of conformity might be available from the manufacturer for EU registration. You need to contact the manuf and ask.
3. The bike must be registered to you in order to get European Insurance. Insurance companies do not issue policies to people who are not on the registration document. Letters of permission/afidavits do not apply. The bike MUST be insured by the owner(s) on the registration document and any other rider must be named on the owners policy. It is very unwise and illegal to ride or drive any vehicle in Europe without proper cover.
4. The International regulations for vehicles in circulation states that all vehicles must conform to the roadworthiness regulations of the country of registration. If your friend in Thailand could get you on his reg document and the bike insured in Thailand with you named as the insured, your pretty much covered. The only issue is that the bike must conform to the roadworthiness requirements in thailand, so if it needs an annual check up ( like an MOT) or annual tax paid it's going to be tricky if it hasn't got them.
4. For your carnet de passage, EVERYTHING should match up before the document is applied for.
If you like jumping through hoops and are determined to do this you will succeeed somehow, but it's not going to be easy and it will take sometime to sort out. I have my doubts as to whether you can do this in three months, unless your friend in Thailand can give you some considerable help with documentation.
Good luck whatever you decide to do.
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If you are U.K. based you would be advised to get the bike to the U.K. ( physically), and perhaps register it in your name. There is no such thing as a temporary transfer of ownership or registered keeper.
Your best bet is to get your friend in Thailand to have your name included on his registration document as a second owner, which would help enormously.
1.You will not be able to do anything with the bike in France unless you are a French resident or have a permanent provable address here.
2. If you go the re registration route in the U.K., it must conform to the standards required for registration, and usually a European Certificate of conformity is required for imported bikes so that it is compliant to Uk and European road worthiness standards. A thai registered bike might not conform as regulations are different. However if it is a well known brand ( like a BMW or other) a cert of conformity might be available from the manufacturer for EU registration. You need to contact the manuf and ask.
3. The bike must be registered to you in order to get European Insurance. Insurance companies do not issue policies to people who are not on the registration document. Letters of permission/afidavits do not apply. The bike MUST be insured by the owner(s) on the registration document and any other rider must be named on the owners policy. It is very unwise and illegal to ride or drive any vehicle in Europe without proper cover.
4. The International regulations for vehicles in circulation states that all vehicles must conform to the roadworthiness regulations of the country of registration. If your friend in Thailand could get you on his reg document and the bike insured in Thailand with you named as the insured, your pretty much covered. The only issue is that the bike must conform to the roadworthiness requirements in thailand, so if it needs an annual check up ( like an MOT) or annual tax paid it's going to be tricky if it hasn't got them.
4. For your carnet de passage, EVERYTHING should match up before the document is applied for.
If you like jumping through hoops and are determined to do this you will succeeed somehow, but it's not going to be easy and it will take sometime to sort out. I have my doubts as to whether you can do this in three months, unless your friend in Thailand can give you some considerable help with documentation.
Good luck whatever you decide to do.
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Thanks for this comprehensive reply and really useful advice. Sounds like it would be nigh impossible to do this in my timeframe. I do have a plan B - a BMW F 800 GS Adventure - in my garage. It belongs to BMW Motorrad in Munich but they are happy to let me use it. I guess I would just need to organise Power of Attorney for this, because I have the reg. doc and 'green card', although not in my name...
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Hi all, I'm wondering if anyone knows what the best process is for temporarily transferring ownership of a foreign registered motorcycle (Thailand) from its owner to me so that I can have all paperwork like reg. papers, carnets etc, in my name? The plan is to ride the bike from France to Thailand and return it to its owner, who lives in Bangkok. I get the impression that trying to make such a journey with just a 'power of Attorney' document won't be sufficient... Here's hoping someone can help with advice?!
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how did the owner ride to france? the easiest option would be if all the paperwork stays the same and you ride with his carnet and paperwork
just did the same from mongolia to germany, a Power of Attorney was all I needed
the bike wasn't registered in my name but they only wanted to see the attorney at one border
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how did the owner ride to france? the easiest option would be if all the paperwork stays the same and you ride with his carnet and paperwork
just did the same from mongolia to germany, a Power of Attorney was all I needed
the bike wasn't registered in my name but they only wanted to see the attorney at one border
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Thanks for this reply and advice Moep. The problem is that the bike has been in France since July 2015 so I guess all paperwork expired by now? I do have a plan B - a BMW F 800 GS Adventure - in my garage. It belongs to BMW Motorrad in Munich but they are happy to let me use it. I guess I would just need to organise Power of Attorney for this, because I have the reg. doc and 'green card', although not in my name...
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