Recovering the deposit of the CDP

[ktmtobcn]

Hi all,

I have a question about the Carnet de Passage. I tried to search the answer but did not find the information. Maybe some of you can help me.

I am planning a one-year trip from Spain to Bangkok with my van. I will go through Turkey, Iran, CA, Russia, Mongolia, China (Tibet), Nepal, India, Burma and then Bangkok. In the majority of the countries, except Iran, India and Nepal, I do not need the CDP, although in some of them I need a lot of red tape, including guides, etc.

Anyway, my question is whether I can claim the deposit after I left the last country where I need the CDP. My plan was to have (not sell it) the van in Bangkok as I live in the area and want to use it for future trips. Therefore, I do not want to bring it back to Spain, it is a cool van that I invested some money in it. My CDP will have all the entry and exit stamps to all those countries where the CDP is mandatory, but the van will still be in Bangkok. Some posts say they check that the vehicle is back home, others sounds like with the CDP and all the stamps is enough...

Any idea if I will be able to claim the deposit?

Thanks!

[ta-rider]

After my carned hat expired i did not get my deposit back even i had all the exit stamps. Only when i returned the bike one year later and showed it to the customs of my home country i finally got my money back: Adventure experience - motorcycle trip riding across Africa

[drkiwiklr]

I have read somewhere on here that an Australian (with a UK passport) was able to get his carnet discharged without returning the bike home by saying he was going to be staying in the UK and did not plan to return with the bike. I'm in a similar situation to this (and you also) and was wondering if anyone had any more information (I myself am a Kiwi with a UK passport riding from Malaysia and intending to stay in the UK for a while).

[ktmtobcn]

Thanks ta-rider and drkiwiklr for your replies.

Ta-rider in what country did you process the CDP?

I think the process varies from country to country... I requested few years back information to the ADAC and they were issuing the CDP without doing a physical inspection of the motorbike (bought in Nepal...). Not sure if the return of the deposit works in the same way, though.

[itchyfeet38]

Whatever country issues it the purpose of a carnet is the same. It is to prevent you taking a car registered in one country into another country permanently without paying the necessary importation duties and taxes.

If you want to take the car into another country permanently that shouldn't be a problem but in order to release your carnet and return any deposit the issuer will want to see evidence that you have formally imported it and paid any duty etc. It would be best to speak to them now and see exactly what their requirements will be.

You also need check you can import the vehicle into the country in question and if so work out the costs. Sometimes you can't import older cars because they don't comply with local requirements and sometimes it is very expensive. It is possible for the cost of importation to be more than the value of the car.

Whatever you do speak to your carnet issuer first. You are not just liable to lose your deposit. If a car is imported illegally and duties/fines etc are levied against your carnet issuer they are entitled to come after you directly if these exceed the amount of your deposit/guarantee.

[misterpaul]

Originally Posted by drkiwiklr

I have read somewhere on here that an Australian (with a UK passport) was able to get his carnet discharged without returning the bike home by saying he was going to be staying in the UK and did not plan to return with the bike. I'm in a similar situation to this (and you also) and was wondering if anyone had any more information (I myself am a Kiwi with a UK passport riding from Malaysia and intending to stay in the UK for a while).

That might have been me but it was a 4x4 not a bike. UK passport, Aus / NSW carnet. Got the carnet discharged from the UK at the end of the trip without providing any proof of import. Maybe it was just the carnet issuer being a bit incompetent though. Obviously they knew I was in the UK but they sent my cheque to my last address in Sydney. Luckily it was a mates place so no problem getting hold of the cash!

[sushi2831]

Originally Posted by ktmtobcn

My CDP will have all the entry and exit stamps to all those countries where the CDP is mandatory, but the van will still be in Bangkok. Some posts say they check that the vehicle is back home, others sounds like with the CDP and all the stamps is enough...

Any idea if I will be able to claim the deposit?

Hello

Every country where the CDP was used has an entry and an exit slip.
With those 2 slips they have to clear the vehicle in their bureaucracy.
If they mess that up and send a claim to the issuer of the CDP that the vehicle was still in the country, the issuer of the CDP needs prove of the whereabouts of the vehicle.
The exitstamp of that country is not enough.
Easiest is by prove of returning of the vehicle.
Also prove of wrecking or importing by an other government in the section mentioned in the CDP.
Some issuer may clear the CDP after a certain time when no country where the CDP was used had made a claim.
But only the issuer of the CDP can tell you what their requirements are.

sushi