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So if the seller signed off the back of the registration and transferred ownership [ even with a Notorised form] he/she would still be responsible. Suppose ; crazy I know, that the seller continued to insure the bike, reimbursed by the seller.
The green card would be had and carried by the buyer in his travels.

Extremely grey area I know but could that work?
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Suppose ; crazy I know, that the seller continued to insure the bike, reimbursed by the seller.
The green card would be had and carried by the buyer in his travels.

Extremely grey area I know but could that work?
PanEuropean has covered the inter provincial aspect I think, if you have to do an OOP inspection you are hooped.

In theory it could, depends where you intend to ride, in Europe you will probably get away with it, but start trying to cross borders outside of Europe with a language barrier - they will look at the registration document and your passport and you could potentially get refused entry, or be let into a country and have the bike impounded as you are not the owner - even with a notary form explaining the change of ownership, unless it is in each countries different language. Even then it would be sketchy at best and you could potentially leave yourself open to having to pay bribes to continue.


Then you have to look at the biggest issue, would most people let you ride a motorbike around while it is registered in their name and potentially be liable for your actions as the rider? I let my mates ride my bikes, covered by my insurance with my permission, but not a person I don't know.
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Let's be practical
1. In any case you need the right "motorcycle riding" class on your driver's licence.

2. Regulation varies from a province to another. It's possible to change province of registration against an inspection in the import jurisdiction.

3. If same province, you could normally provide power of attorney to a friend / relative to register the bike in your name in your province, provided that you don't have to get the bike inspected.

4. In addition to registration service fees (and taxes) which sometimes includes liability insurance (Qc notably) most provincial registration services ask for proof of insurance in Canada prior to registering the bike, so you'd have to negotiate an insurance policy with a Canadian company first. In some cases, more likely if you do not already have an insurance let's say for a house or else, the insurer may ask to see the bike but usually can accept dated photos.

With more details I assume you can get a ore precise answer, nothing like calling the other side of the Atlantic ocean and ask! Good luck.
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...In any case you need the right "motorcycle riding" class on your driver's licence...
Not necessarily. You are confounding operating the vehicle with owning the vehicle. My wife owns my motorcycle, it is registered in her name, but she does not possess a driver licence to operate a motorcycle.

Similarly, a company could own the vehicle, and a company doesn't have a driver licence.

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So if the seller signed off the back of the registration and transferred ownership [even with a Notarized form]...
I think you are missing the point.

The vehicle is registered to whomever the title document says it is registered to. Until the organization that maintains the register of vehicles (in other words, the provincial government) amends their register, and at the same time amends the document they give you that confirms the registration of the vehicle with the registrar, it's still registered to the person whose name appears on the document.

In some jurisdictions, the legislation allows a grace period of a week or so during which a new owner can operate a vehicle they have bought while it is still registered to the person who sold it. But, that grace period is only intended to allow sufficient time to get to the registrar and update things. In provinces that follow a "plate belongs to owner" model, rather than "plate belongs to vehicle", the owner is legally obliged to remove their plate from the vehicle at the time they sell it. Ontario is such a province, I don't know about the other provinces.

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