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carnet fun
hey motomon,
Yeah, that really sucks about Egypt. Riding across Saudi Arabia doesn't seem to be an option for US citizen either. Seems to be no way around it so I plan on putting up the 5K indemnity bond with the Canadian Automobile Association (our Carnet issuer), which will also hopefully serve as post-trip survival cash..
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$5k Indemnity Bond
I don't really understand the "Ïndemnity Bond," business, but I do know that I don't have $5k to spare to put up. I'm trying to sell my Wee Strom that I just returned from South America on and put 21k miles/32k+ k on. Probably won't get much for it, but I really want to do this trip.
Guess I'll write to CA to get clarification. It seems like I have to pay $950 + $3-4k (if Egypt included) for the indemnity which will be about $4-5k, which is a lot of money for me. I already checked with my IRA account about getting an irrevocable letter of credit and they don't do that.
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hey motomon,
Yeah, that really sucks about Egypt. Riding across Saudi Arabia doesn't seem to be an option for US citizen either. Seems to be no way around it so I plan on putting up the 5K indemnity bond with the Canadian Automobile Association (our Carnet issuer), which will also hopefully serve as post-trip survival cash..
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CAA carnet
The bond option for me is more expensive upfront, but much cheaper as long as I'm able to get my bond back. I had the same trouble with my bank not knowing what on earth i was talking about for a letter of credit. I wrote Suzanne Dennis at CAA who was very helpful - here is her reply:
Once we receive your application and we figure out how much of a financial guarantee you will require we make up the draft letter of credit for you to take to your bank along with a letter of information in order for them to understand what we are talking about. Please wait until that is done before going to your bank again.
We have dealt with almost every bank in the US.
If you choose the Indemnity option and you will be travelling longer than 1 year, you will have to pay the carnet fee and the bond amount every year.
If you use the letter of credit or put up the cash you would only do that once and it is good for 5 years however you would still have to pay the carnet fee every year no matter what.
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Anyone thought about doing Africa without a Carnet? I was going to pay up, but then i read this thread:
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...0-tenere-64769
I'd rather be greasing the locals palms this way, than having an expensive document, and likely having to pay bribes on top of things.
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Hi Paul
If you find yourself traveling through Lusaka, Zambia and need spot for the night give me a shout. I would be glad to help in any way. Good luck wit the planning.
Cheers
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I'm riding my bike across Russia/Asia first, starting in Vladivostok, and will probably get to Europe at the end of August. However, I'm not in a hurry and can certainly spend another few weeks in the Stan's, Turkey and so on.
I'm 34, and like Gary am often staring down at my bike having dropped it in a puddle or pile of sand. That said, I prefer the dirt to the Tarmac and should have 10k plus miles of offroad experience by the time I show up.
My current plan: fret about carnets for another few months, debate malaria tablet choices and then just rock up in Morocco looking haggard from the past 25k miles.
South seems good.
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I can stand, but it's more tiring without the shock absorber of a forefoot. I'm lucky to have a heel, which I use to shift. I wish I could change my DR to GP shifting, as is easily done with sport bikes.
So, sounds like several (3 DRs?) are planning on a rendezvous in Tangier around the first week in October.
Paul, since you started this, have you researched a possible route?
I need to start learning more about the regions/countries/cultures. First for me though is eastern & southern Europe this summer. My only preference is to minimize exposure to large urban areas.
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I can stand, but it's more tiring without the shock absorber of a forefoot. I'm lucky to have a heel, which I use to shift. I wish I could change my DR to GP shifting, as is easily done with sport bikes.
So, sounds like several (3 DRs?) are planning on a rendezvous in Tangier around the first week in October.
Paul, since you started this, have you researched a possible route?
I need to start learning more about the regions/countries/cultures. First for me though is eastern & southern Europe this summer. My only preference is to minimize exposure to large urban areas.
Chris, potential member of “Moto Afrique"
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Alright guys - this seems to be shaping up! I will have to book it to get to Morocco in time to meet you guys, but will do my best. Here is route picture to get us all stoked:
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ride needed
Hi guys,
Bumped into this site while searching for info and tips about going on road around africa and I just read your thread. I'm planning to leave sweden in sept and travel to tanzania. For once I don't have a time frame and have decided not to fly. I am not the kind of person who makes a lot of plans. What I like is bumping into adventures and interesting people in places I didn't even know of. My plan is hitch hike as much as possible and use buses and trains when I have to.
This might be a crazy question..anyone of you fancy giving me a ride? I am not saying you have to take me with you troughout the whole route. I'm thinking a few good memories and adventures, a couple of days, weeks or whatever we decide. I don't have a lot to offer...no mechanical or plenty language skills (swedish, english and a bit of swahili is what i know) but I'll pay for gas and will always have a big smile on my lips!
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hy, Fatima,
I'll try to leave some space open on the second seat, you can ride along till Spain at least, (that's a lot of highway and boring) and for the rest it depends a little on how much off-road we are going to do in Africa. cause that's a little hard with two-up.
Also a question for the rest of you guys, is there already a plan for which visa's to buy in advantage? So I can do does too, and I have been thinking about the route, I don't know if there are some of you how definitely want's to ride Sierra-Leone and Liberia, those are relatively small country's witch have pretty expensive visa's.
So maybe riding from Guinea strait to Côte-d'Ivoire is saving 2 visa's and 4 border-post controls.
I'm only driving to Accra, Ghana. I'm busy fixing a box for motorcycle flying transport there.
Think about it,
let me know.
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Jeroen - I think that I'll be trying to hit Liberia and Sierra Leone..I'd like to get the Angola visa ahead of time, but it just doesn't seem possible since they said that it will only be good for 3 months after the date of issue - so I wouldn't make it in time.
Fatima - wow - now that's the spirit! Keep in touch - I'll stop if I see yer thumb out on the road !
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hy, Fatima,
I'll try to leave some space open on the second seat, you can ride along till Spain at least, (that's a lot of highway and boring) and for the rest it depends a little on how much off-road we are going to do in Africa. cause that's a little hard with two-up.
Also a question for the rest of you guys, is there already a plan for which visa's to buy in advantage? So I can do does too, and I have been thinking about the route, I don't know if there are some of you how definitely want's to ride Sierra-Leone and Liberia, those are relatively small country's witch have pretty expensive visa's.
So maybe riding from Guinea strait to Côte-d'Ivoire is saving 2 visa's and 4 border-post controls.
I'm only driving to Accra, Ghana. I'm busy fixing a box for motorcycle flying transport there.
Think about it,
let me know.
Kind regards,
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Jeroen,
That would be awesome =) Just keep me updated on whether there will be a seat avaliable for me or not. If there is I'll make my way to Netherlands and go with you for some time. When are you planning to start your trip?
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Paul,
Sorry that I hadn't remembered that you had proposed a route last year.
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I land in Lithuania in later June ride down through eastern Europe n across southern Europe to northern Spain, then down Spain or Portugal to ferry to Tangier in early October to meet Paul and Gary and whoever else shows up to ride around Africa. I'm on a DR650 and plan to go sans Carnet, but may have to skip Egypt coming back north.
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Paul-I don't have comms, but like the idea. Can I buy something at reasonble cost somewhere in Europe as I leave in 3 days? After I get my shipped bike in Lithuania in July, I will ride down eastern Europe, across Italy, southern France & northern Spain, down Portugal, then across to Algeciras for the ferry to Tangier.
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