1Likes
 |

27 Oct 2008
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Cairo
Posts: 304
|
|
Don't try it in service stations on the motorway, there's a maximum time you're allowed there before having to pay a parking fee.
I slept around in the UK for years, and in campers and cars, just give a bit of thought to picking your spot and drop off.
It's not illegal unless you're breaking some parking law somewhere.
|

27 Oct 2008
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Staffordshire. uk
Posts: 766
|
|
To be fair councils have to restrict "overnight parking" otherwise they end up with 10 Gypsy caravans in a carpark and it takes them 28 days to evict them. This is probably why we don't have the right to roam in England. Scotland is a lot easier to wildcamp.
|

29 Oct 2008
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Salisbury UK
Posts: 248
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyingdoctor
To be fair councils have to restrict "overnight parking" otherwise they end up with 10 Gypsy caravans in a carpark and it takes them 28 days to evict them. This is probably why we don't have the right to roam in England. Scotland is a lot easier to wildcamp.
|
Funny enough, I got the odd suspicious look in my own very limited travels - driving an old Lada and being a scruffy bastard possibly doesn't help - but (and I don't mind admitting) I did feel a sting of resentment at the thought of being 'judged' - and that was just me on a trip. Actually got pulled in Belgium as they were having a clampdown on people smuggling. At least, that's what they told me.
Just my thoughts.
__________________
I've a feeling I'm not in Kansas anymore.
Last edited by teflon; 29 Oct 2008 at 15:24.
|

29 Oct 2008
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: aberdeenshire scotland
Posts: 154
|
|
Up in scotland you will find alot of parking bays out in the country, we have a lot of vans parked near our little harbour in crudenbay and up at the castle nearby. These all have french/german plates so no one really bothers them unless they do something really stupid or park in residents parking spaces. The same goes for most the villages up and down the north east of scotland or in the highlands.
I have seen alot biker groups as well this year and again no one has problems. We also get quite alot of backpackers camping on the beach[ further down and out of site of the village] and up in the sand dunes. The screams at 2 am as my chinese crested finds them have indicated many are from over seas.
The problem at the moment is with the traveller/gypsy groups have really upset alot of locals in the north east of scotland with the damage and mess they make. There has also been alot of trouble with large groups coming up from England claiming to be travellers/gypsy people [and then admit their just on holiday to the press after the council has payed for toilets and skips for them] to park in nature reserves and tourist spots.
So if your a single van/camper you shouldnt have any trouble parking up in a layby somewhere. Just make sure its not one that has had the anti large vehicle barriers ripped up and I wouldnt recommend using a site that already has travellers on it or trying fields and farm tracks.
The police wont/cant move you on and the council need to go through the courts to do so. Although on the estates it may be a gamekeeper/farmer with a shotgun and they dont care about "human rights" and "discrimination" as much so I wouldnt recommend trying to camp out on the estates. Same goes for using tents out in private estates unless you go well off the tracks forestry guys and the local land owner will move you on and fires are a big no no.
|

29 Oct 2008
|
 |
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Wirral, England.
Posts: 5,680
|
|
Thanks for all the European advice
But, does anyone know the rule in the UK specifically ?
Can I LEGALLY drive down to a nice town, find a quiet road to park in and sleep there for the night ?? If someone wants to cause an issue and call the police, could i be moved on or prosecuted ?
__________________
Did some trips.
Rode some bikes.
Fix them for a living.
Can't say anymore.
|

29 Oct 2008
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: aberdeenshire scotland
Posts: 154
|
|
There is different laws throughout the UK, scotland has no such thing as private roads or lands[ no such charge as trespassing], england does as far as I am aware or used to.
In the towns parking bays and car parks are generally owned so you may get moved on if you are classed as blocking access.Although recently my mother recieved a parking ticket from parking too long in a supermarket car park, It was sent from an english legal firm, used english law as its basis and therefore was not a legal charge in scotland so she phoned them pointed this out and they tore it up.
The best thing you can do is to use common sense. Dont park in a city, If in the country dont go into an area that isnt a proper rest stop or block a field or side road. And stay away from places with barriers. Its up to the police to move you on and explain why, so if you deal with them in a nice way say your stopping for 1 night only and that you are too tired to carry on they should be ok. IF you stop far enough away from any centres of population the chances of running into police or complaints are very slim indeed.
If as you said you find a nice town ect dont Park in someones space and try not to park in a residential area, as that way you will stick out.
Knowing your rights and having rights dont mean anything when the police are trying to move you on, as trying to tell a police officer they are wrong and you know your rights really wont get you anywhere. Unless you claim to be a gypsy/traveller and then the police will not do anything as its a discrimination charge against them waiting to happen.
|

27 Oct 2008
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Bribie Island Australia
Posts: 678
|
|
I spent 7 months last year travelling around Europe in a campervan and the only time we moved on after parking up was when some idiot was doing donuts in the parking area we chose.
France has it really sorted with a lot of Aires de repose, with water, power and often toilets or chemical toilet dumps. Wild camping is easy, just choose a quiet spot, off main roads, away from nightclubs and pubs, and dont block someone's million $ views.
The UK is the hardest in Europe to park up without a sign prohibiting everything except breathing, without having completed an environmental impact statement, health and safety study and got approval from the relevant departments from the Parish Council, County Council, Westminster and Brussels - probably the UN and Washington now as well!!
|

27 Oct 2008
|
 |
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: West London
Posts: 920
|
|
France...
Ouai, most places you're OK, there's a few places where you'll find a no overnight stays sign, or no campervans after a certain time, but that's usually either beaches or town squares. Lots of town/villages will have a municipal campground too, and they're only a couple of euros for a hook-up if you want it.
__________________
Happiness has 125 cc
|

27 Oct 2008
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Kent, Uk
Posts: 391
|
|
Look for ....
Apart from where it is obviously sign posted you should be ok to stop, however, you will find yourself being checked out by local residents/farmers etc and the police, they will wonder why you do not use the local campsite or B&B etc, but as has been said I do not think you would be breaking the law.
__________________
ChrisC
|

27 Oct 2008
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Danmark
Posts: 346
|
|
Its better just to have a MPV or a normal van, as many places have restricted parking for camper vans. On the westcoast of Jutland/Denmark, some counties have no parking between 9pm to 7am in the whole county.
I normally go for the parking on the harbour area, as they have a lot of space and always public toilets. I bought a VW Sharan/Ford Galaxy, as I can sleep in the back, but it looks like a normal car from the outside.
In Monaco they patrol all night and even check normal cars and send you away. In france, the police adviced me to park in a better lit place and in Germany, on the autobahn, the police just wanted to know, what went on, when we moved all the luggage to the front seats, at 12 o'clock midnight, to be able to sleep in the back.
__________________
Poul
May you enjoy peace and good health !
|

27 Oct 2008
|
 |
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Brittany, France
Posts: 401
|
|
Most towns in France have an overnight spot for camper vans free of charge. Often with waste disposal, water supply and electric hook up. Something to do with a law Napoleon introduced. I've only ever seen camper vans use them, not caravans. I've often thought you could live quite frugally just moving from one spot to another each day.
__________________
If you think you are too small to make a difference you have never spent the night with a mosquito.
|

27 Oct 2008
|
 |
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Definitely Nomadic
Posts: 523
|
|
Make sure you don't this in the US, where there's even MORE rules. Having a van in the US means you're smuggling something or someone, and people will surely call the police. I had it happen countless times. :-( Which is why so many camp at parking lots like Wal-Mart. But who wants to wake up surrounded by bright lights and countless caravans???
Lorraine
|

28 Oct 2008
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Salisbury UK
Posts: 248
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by onlyMark
Don't try it in service stations on the motorway, there's a maximum time you're allowed there before having to pay a parking fee...
|
Could always gas the parking attendant.
Just a thought.
__________________
I've a feeling I'm not in Kansas anymore.
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...
2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.
"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.
Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes.
(ONLY US RESIDENTS and currently has a limit of 60 days.)
Ripcord Evacuation Insurance is available for ALL nationalities.
What others say about HU...
"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia
"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK
"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia
"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA
"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada
"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa
"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia
"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany
Lots more comments here!

Every book a diary
Every chapter a day
Every day a journey
Refreshingly honest and compelling tales: the hights and lows of a life on the road. Solo, unsupported, budget journeys of discovery.
Authentic, engaging and evocative travel memoirs, overland, around the world and through life.
All 8 books available from the author or as eBooks and audio books
Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!
New to Horizons Unlimited?
New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!
Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.
Read more about Grant & Susan's story
Membership - help keep us going!
Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.
You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.
|
|
|