Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > All Miscellaneous questions > Travellers' questions that don't fit anywhere else
Travellers' questions that don't fit anywhere else This is an opportunity to ask any question, and post any notice you wish that doesn't fit into one of the other sections.
Photo by Michael Jordan, enjoying a meal at sunset, Zangskar Valley, India

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Michael Jordan
enjoying a meal at sunset,
Zangskar Valley, India



Like Tree1Likes
  • 1 Post By docsherlock

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 26 May 2015
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 2
Anyone willing to share Ireland address for motorcycle registration?

Is there anyone out there with a permanent address in Ireland willing to let a fellow traveler use their address for motorcycle title and registration purposes?

I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, so feel free to redirect me if need be.

Here's the long story behind the call for help.

I've been in contact with Martin from the Motofeirme in Ireland about getting a low budget motorcycle to tour with during my summer trip to Europe. If you're unfamiliar with who he is, he has helped tons of foreign riders purchase, register, license, and insure motorcycles for trips in Europe.

From what I've gathered from our conversation, in the past he's helped most foreign riders by putting his address on the titles of the bikes they choose to purchase in Europe so that they can be registered in Ireland. From there, insurance and green cards can be esstablished for the bike easily.

Recently he's ran into an issue with using his address to title low budget bikes for riders. At the end of the trip, what started out as a cheap used bike, is worth even less than it's small price tag was before. This makes abandoning the bike, instead of selling it before the rider departs from the traveled country, much more appealing than what it otherwise would be.

This has left Martin with numerous bikes turning up all over the place with his address on the title. Because of this, and because of the budget I have for my trip, he's suggested that I find someone willing to let me use their address to title and register the motorcycle under. While I feel that the likelyhood that I'll abandon the bike is very slim, I certainly respect Martin's wishes and understand where he is coming from. That is why I am reaching out to you guys for help.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 26 May 2015
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: BC, sometimes
Posts: 578
Why would anyone volunteer to be responsible for an abandoned bike [even though it is a "slim possibility"] and be a party to a fraud?? Just askin'........


Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechanictress View Post
Is there anyone out there with a permanent address in Ireland willing to let a fellow traveler use their address for motorcycle title and registration purposes?

I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, so feel free to redirect me if need be.

Here's the long story behind the call for help.

I've been in contact with Martin from the Motofeirme in Ireland about getting a low budget motorcycle to tour with during my summer trip to Europe. If you're unfamiliar with who he is, he has helped tons of foreign riders purchase, register, license, and insure motorcycles for trips in Europe.

From what I've gathered from our conversation, in the past he's helped most foreign riders by putting his address on the titles of the bikes they choose to purchase in Europe so that they can be registered in Ireland. From there, insurance and green cards can be esstablished for the bike easily.

Recently he's ran into an issue with using his address to title low budget bikes for riders. At the end of the trip, what started out as a cheap used bike, is worth even less than it's small price tag was before. This makes abandoning the bike, instead of selling it before the rider departs from the traveled country, much more appealing than what it otherwise would be.

This has left Martin with numerous bikes turning up all over the place with his address on the title. Because of this, and because of the budget I have for my trip, he's suggested that I find someone willing to let me use their address to title and register the motorcycle under. While I feel that the likelyhood that I'll abandon the bike is very slim, I certainly respect Martin's wishes and understand where he is coming from. That is why I am reaching out to you guys for help.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 28 May 2015
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 2
Quote:
Why would anyone volunteer to be responsible for an abandoned bike [even though it is a "slim possibility"] and be a party to a fraud?? Just askin'........
I would imagine they'd volunteer to help a fellow traveler and motorcycle enthusiast make a dream trip come true.

Afterall, I am not asking anyone to be responsible for an abandoned bike. I have friends stationed in Germany for work that are more than happy to help me sell the bike after my trip is over, even if I am unable to sell it before I leave Europe. The "slim possibility" was in reference to unforseen extenuating circumstances.

As to volunteering to be a party to fraud, I don't believe I am asking anyone to volunteer for that either. If it was out right fraudulent to use an Ireland address to title and register a vehicle under a U.S. citizen's name, I don't believe Martin and the Motofeirme would still be doing that very same thing to help others with broader budgets obtain motorcycles for their trips.

From the research I've done on the DVLA's website here
https://www.gov.uk/government/organi...censing-agency
and here
https://www.gov.uk/driving-abroad
and here
https://www.justlanded.com/english/U...rmits/Vehicles
and multiple other sources.

I haven't found anything explicitly saying that it is fraudulent. If you're aware of that being the case, please do point me in the right direction to find that information.

I have thought the details of this through would be more than happy to discuss them in depth with anyone who is interested in offering help. Even if they choose not to lend me their address after learning all the details.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 28 May 2015
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 3
So if I let Mr. John Doe use my address to register a bike in Ireland and then Mr. Doe abandons the bike in Germany where it is eventually seized by a government agency, why would the said agency not pursue me to cover the disposal costs? I image the cost of this could add up.

Isn't this why Martin is no longer doing this?


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 28 May 2015
chris's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: GOC
Posts: 3,327
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechanictress View Post
I would imagine they'd volunteer to help a fellow traveler and motorcycle enthusiast make a dream trip come true.

Afterall, I am not asking anyone to be responsible for an abandoned bike. I have friends stationed in Germany for work that are more than happy to help me sell the bike after my trip is over, even if I am unable to sell it before I leave Europe. The "slim possibility" was in reference to unforseen extenuating circumstances.

As to volunteering to be a party to fraud, I don't believe I am asking anyone to volunteer for that either. If it was out right fraudulent to use an Ireland address to title and register a vehicle under a U.S. citizen's name, I don't believe Martin and the Motofeirme would still be doing that very same thing to help others with broader budgets obtain motorcycles for their trips.

From the research I've done on the DVLA's website here
https://www.gov.uk/government/organi...censing-agency
and here
https://www.gov.uk/driving-abroad
and here
https://www.justlanded.com/english/U...rmits/Vehicles
and multiple other sources.

I haven't found anything explicitly saying that it is fraudulent. If you're aware of that being the case, please do point me in the right direction to find that information.

I have thought the details of this through would be more than happy to discuss them in depth with anyone who is interested in offering help. Even if they choose not to lend me their address after learning all the details.
Just for clarification: Martin at Motofeirme is based in the Republic of Ireland. The websites you quote/ DVLA is a government organisation of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. They are not the same country! The 100th anniversary of The 1916 Easter Rising is next year...

If you intended on returning the bike to the Republic of Ireland and to sell it there, you might have a chance of finding someone to help you.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 28 May 2015
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: NSW Australia - but never there
Posts: 1,235
What you can do in some countries is to register the vehicle in your name using a willing friend's address. That way there is no comeback on any other person but the registered owner.

Possible in the UK, but maybe not in Ireland.
__________________
Tony
Click here for Travel Photos & Travel Map
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 28 May 2015
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: BC, sometimes
Posts: 578
Look, I'm sure you're a stand-up guy and have no bad intentions. However, if your "extenuating circumstances" come about you are going to reimburse the person who let you use their address for the expenses you incur by abandoning the bike, are you?

When you buy an insurance policy, if you use an address that is not yours i.e. you are not honest with them, they will not pay out. How do you plan on dealing with that eventuality?

Why not get your mates in Germany to buy a bike for you and use that?

FYI, The Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK; that misunderstanding has caused some grief over the years......


Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechanictress View Post
I would imagine they'd volunteer to help a fellow traveler and motorcycle enthusiast make a dream trip come true.

Afterall, I am not asking anyone to be responsible for an abandoned bike. I have friends stationed in Germany for work that are more than happy to help me sell the bike after my trip is over, even if I am unable to sell it before I leave Europe. The "slim possibility" was in reference to unforseen extenuating circumstances.

As to volunteering to be a party to fraud, I don't believe I am asking anyone to volunteer for that either. If it was out right fraudulent to use an Ireland address to title and register a vehicle under a U.S. citizen's name, I don't believe Martin and the Motofeirme would still be doing that very same thing to help others with broader budgets obtain motorcycles for their trips.

From the research I've done on the DVLA's website here
https://www.gov.uk/government/organi...censing-agency
and here
https://www.gov.uk/driving-abroad
and here
https://www.justlanded.com/english/U...rmits/Vehicles
and multiple other sources.

I haven't found anything explicitly saying that it is fraudulent. If you're aware of that being the case, please do point me in the right direction to find that information.

I have thought the details of this through would be more than happy to discuss them in depth with anyone who is interested in offering help. Even if they choose not to lend me their address after learning all the details.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 28 May 2015
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: BC, sometimes
Posts: 578
Insurance Nazis...

The point in my previous post about insurance is not hypothetical; most companies will not insure non-UK residents and non-UK bikes get hit with a big premium even for a UK resident.

Motofierme gives details on their webiste about a specialist broker in Germany who may be able to help and the other resources on this site also give details.

I would suggest:
1. Always be honest with the insurance company - otherwise your policy is not valid and you have paid them a bunch of money for nothing.
2. Make sure you get it - good & comprehensive coverage is a lifesaver if you need it, so insure yourself up the yin-yang.
3. Get a good travel policy from your country of origin (?USA) before you come and check the terms to make sure it covers motorcycling; there will likely be a term in there to void cover if the activity is not legal, so you have to get it right at this end with regards to vehicle registration and insurance. I've seen some right disasters where insurance companies have refused to pay out, so do your homework.

My comments have meant to be preventative and constructive, not provocative and hope they have not been misconstrued.

Save travels.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 28 May 2015
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: BC, sometimes
Posts: 578
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony LEE View Post
What you can do in some countries is to register the vehicle in your name using a willing friend's address. That way there is no comeback on any other person but the registered owner.

Possible in the UK, but maybe not in Ireland.
Unless the abandoned bike turns up at the registered address and bailiffs pursue the cost at that address.....
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 28 May 2015
chris's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: GOC
Posts: 3,327
Quote:
Originally Posted by docsherlock View Post
Unless the abandoned bike turns up at the registered address and bailiffs pursue the cost at that address.....
Bailiffs in the UK can only try to claim from a person, not the address/owner of the property. I'm in a rented property at the moment and the previous tenant (who moved out over 2 1/2 years ago) omitted to pay some parking fine or other. Every so often random "threatening" letters arrive. I used to return them to sender/person unknown. Now I just bin them as they're not for me.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 28 May 2015
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: BC, sometimes
Posts: 578
Quote:
Originally Posted by chris View Post
Bailiffs in the UK can only try to claim from a person, not the address/owner of the property. I'm in a rented property at the moment and the previous tenant (who moved out over 2 1/2 years ago) omitted to pay some parking fine or other. Every so often random "threatening" letters arrive. I used to return them to sender/person unknown. Now I just bin them as they're not for me.
Yup, that's the law.
Now try getting your stuff back when it's been mistakenly taken by the bailiffs.
Let me know how you get on.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 28 May 2015
chris's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: GOC
Posts: 3,327
Quote:
Originally Posted by docsherlock View Post
Yup, that's the law.
Now try getting your stuff back when it's been mistakenly taken by the bailiffs.
Let me know how you get on.
As my mum taught me never to talk to strangers, I won't be opening the door to someone I don't know.

If they kick my door in, I'll know who I'll be calling: the Police.

What I find funny is that they have only ever visited Monday to Friday 9 to 5. I work these hours, so we never meet. Never get the chance to watch daytime TV either


I think this thread might be going ....

..... Let's see if somebody in the Republic of Ireland offers an address.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 28 May 2015
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: BC, sometimes
Posts: 578
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2015 - Heading east from Europe, add your itinerary / plans kim Travellers Seeking Travellers 190 5 Mar 2016 07:38
Share posts on Google+ now possible! Grant Johnson Website Feedback 0 19 Mar 2014 00:33
Registration in Kazakhstan takeonafrica Northern and Central Asia 4 21 Nov 2013 05:08
Canadian Registration expired : problems in Europe ? mart.math Trip Paperwork 4 18 Sep 2012 22:29
Information wanted from experienced bikers in South America joentje100 SOUTH AMERICA 35 1 Jan 2010 03:00

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

HU Event and other updates on the HUBB Forum "Traveller's Advisories" thread.
ALL Dates subject to change.

2024:

2025:

  • Queensland is back! May 2-4 2025!

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

HUBBUK: info

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:49.