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Revisiting Morality and Law
In retrospect, I remember 1968, during the Tet offensive, when the US Marines were taking Hue from the Viet Cong. There was an international convention (Law) , much like the TVIP agreements (Law) among MERCOSUR countries of South America, that the US would not raise the Stars and Stripes.
These international conventions (Law) are not taken lightly, but when the US Marines for better or worst lowered the Viet Cong Flag and raised the Stars and Stripes, quite illegally, I concurred with that decision. The sight of the US Flag raised moral, a lot, among the Marines who had suffered 142 dead and 1,100 wounded and had no reinforcements in sight, and were running out of food and ammo.
So the next time you consider forging a vehicle/moto title quite illegally and in violation of international convention, please consider the City of Hue, South Vietnam as your litmus test.
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Now back home from a circumnavigation of Sri Lanka. Very enjoyable journey, and yes, I drove "illegally" as I did not bother to get my IDP endorsed by the local AA in Colombo.
Not that it seemed to matter to the local police who randomly stop vehicles for licence and registration checks.
I was signalled to stop 3 times in 16 days of riding. I stopped twice - the 3rd time I didn't realise I was being hailed to stop (my wife told me subsequently) and continued on without consequence. On the two occasions I did stop no request was made to show the AA endorsement.
I highly recommend Sri Lanka as a destination. The major roads, especially in the North are in magnificent smooth condition and there were many instances when we didn't see another vehicle for 10 minutes or more at a time.
We also chose a fair number of sand/gravel backroads that only the locals took and really enjoyed the interactions we had.
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You know, Xfitrate, after ten years of beating the same drum on every thread, aren't you tired? You thing is objecting to foreign travelers skirting laws in Latin America and elsewhere, even if those laws were made without any knowledge of international motorcycle travels and what it entails.
I don't give a crap weather it is illegal to sell a foreign motorcycle to another foreigner that will remove it from Argentina because it has nothing to do with Argentina. The bike goes in, it goes out, it does not get sold to an Argentinian who will still have to pay $30,000 for a V-Strom. No harm, no foul.
Same goes for forging documents that have no validity except for informational purposes and to record what vehicle with what owner and what plate entered and therefore must leave the country. So what if i forge a registration for a bike I own and create a plate for it that says it is registered in Azerbajan and I cross South America with it. Big deal, If it was actually registered in Azerbajan, the result would be the same. No harm, no foul.
I just don't get what your game is. do you also have a problem with all the international bikers who enter the US by land borders and don't get EPA waivers or TVIPs for their bikes which the law says they need? Who cares?
Maybe you have too much time on your hands. Maybe if you charged a reasonable parking fee at your place, you would have more customers and less time to pontificate endlessly on the same dreary subject.
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Bravoooooo...klap..klap for answer VickMitch...
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You know, Xfitrate, after ten years of beating the same drum on every thread, aren't you tired?
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and less time to pontificate endlessly on the same dreary subject.
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Good luck with your post VM. Most have given up engaging in sane dialogue with the OP. I do occasionally read his stuff, just for the comedy value.
I suggest you're https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flogging_a_Dead_Horse
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25 Apr 2017
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Attack the Messenger Instead of the Message
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You know, Xfitrate, after ten years of beating the same drum on every thread, aren't you tired? You thing is objecting to foreign travelers skirting laws in Latin America and elsewhere, even if those laws were made without any knowledge of international motorcycle travels and what it entails.
xfiltrate responds in magenta. What exhausts me, is not taking time to share knowledge gained from living in Latin America for more than 20 years, but having to defend myself from those who attack me rather than my message. The reality is by attacking me (the messenger) instead of the message, you have no real defense, just bully boy tactics. In case you have not noticed, attacking me and ignoring my message will not stop me. You might try actually responding to my messages.
The TVIP laws were created specifically for international travelers and their vehicle/motorcycles.
I don't give a crap weather it is illegal to sell a foreign motorcycle to another foreigner that will remove it from Argentina because it has nothing to do with Argentina. The bike goes in, it goes out, it does not get sold to an Argentinian who will still have to pay $30,000 for a V-Strom. No harm, no foul.
I do not much care about your personal thoughts regarding the legality of the sale of a motorcycle entered into Argentina by a foreign tourist on a TVIP and sold to another foreign tourist who departs it from Argentina. Here is reality. The seller of the motorcycle described above and the buyer have committed an illegal act that, in the event of an accident will be discovered and prosecuted. And all insurance purchased by the seller or the buyer, will be null and void thus exposing the damaged or the injured without restitution, unless seller or buyer or both are arrested and held in jail until restitution according to a court of law is satisfied. Have you no qualms about enabling a motorcycle to operate illegally without insurance coverage and have you no qualms about risking the liberty of the buyer and or the seller? I just don't get this could you address this particular issue? The cost of a V-Strom in Argentina is what it is to protect the growing Argentine motorcycle industry. Hondas and other motorcycles that are now manufactured in Argentina and can be purchased very reasonably. During my 12 year residency in Argentina as a permanent foreign resident, I have visited several new Argentine motorcycle factories - where foreign motorcycles are assembled. I know some of the Argentine investors in these factories and I know how difficult it is to run a business in Argentina. The import taxes on foreign manufactured bikes are in place to help the Argentine economy. Most countries of the world have similar import taxes for the same reason.
Same goes for forging documents that have no validity except for informational purposes and to record what vehicle with what owner and what plate entered and therefore must leave the country. So what if i forge a registration for a bike I own and create a plate for it that says it is registered in Azerbajan and I cross South America with it. Big deal, If it was actually registered in Azerbajan, the result would be the same. No harm, no foul.
Please re-visit my original comment this post. The forging of foreign/domestic documents - that especially in Argentina can be checked via computer quickly and easily nulls and voids the legally operating clause on all insurance policies.i
I just don't get what your game is. do you also have a problem with all the international bikers who enter the US by land borders and don't get EPA waivers or TVIPs for their bikes which the law says they need? Who cares?
Since you seem to be at a loss regarding my game, I will explain. My game is survival and the survival of others. Illegally selling and forging documents is contra survival. May I ask what your game is? Not having researched the law regarding EPA waivers, the only thing I can say is it is my understanding that foreign registered vehicles operating in the USA as a tourist vehicle must only meet registration requirements of the country or state of registration. For example, a California registered vehicle operating in Arizona as the vehicle of a tourist, does not have to meet Arizona EPA requirements, only California requirements. Now, importing a vehicle for sale would have to meet EPA requirements for the State in which it will be registered.
Maybe you have too much time on your hands. Maybe if you charged a reasonable parking fee at your place, you would have more customers and less time to pontificate endlessly on the same dreary subject.
Another attack on the messenger, I would enjoy discussing my messages with you.
Do you know the cost of parking a motorcycle in Buenos Aires, Argentina? The average price is exactly twice the $80.00 US Dollar or AR peso equivalent / month that I charge. Exactly half and my parking garage is safe and secure with 24/7 guards and access and, is located in an upscale neighborhood, unlike most parking garages in Buenos Aires.
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. "Respectfully" Do you really think it is respectful to attack me instead of my message? xfiltrate
After thoughts, I must be having a big impact on the HUBB or I would just be ignored rather than attacked. # of views don't lie, sorry boys if I have rocked your boat. And if a monitor is observing this thread please explain the rules of engagement here to chris. thanks
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. "Respectfully" Do you really think it is respectful to attack me instead of my message? xfiltrate
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People are attacking the repeated ad nauseum message. They aren't attacking you personally. As VM said, for nearly as long as I've been on the HUBB you present the same story: Argentina.... TVIP.... Selling..... Illegal.... South America.... etc etc ad infinitum. People get what you're saying. And they continue to blissfully ignore you.
Could I suggest you add a link to this thread to your signature? Then to save you typing the same stuff repeatedly and stop people having to trawl through the magenta fog to find new info) you can just refer to your signature while also adding helpful, new information.
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I understand those who say they are not "elite", and I don't know the cost of your bike, helmet, riding gear, and daily expenses for 6 months to 3 years. That being said, compared to the great mass of non-North European, non-North American populations, you are a walking bag of gold. There is a hint of superiority in not having to follow local laws that control what is on their roads. You may feel they are unfair and unnecessary, but so are most laws on robbery, murder, and smuggling. For me one of the constant irritations on my trips is people who feel they are above the mass of the local humanity. We travel to see new and different places and people living in ways we do not. To say you are above them is to say you are part of the elite. Sorry to offend anyone, just MNTBMFHO.
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Well the thread's had a couple of months of life, everyone's had their chance to put their point of view, and seeing as it's descending into sparring I've closed it.
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