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Old 16 Mar 2017
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So here's my take on an example. You sell your US registered bike to another traveler some where outside the US.
Somewhere outside the United States is not a bike having entered a country on a TVIP specifically prohibiting the sale of the bike in country. So I really can't comment as your premise is too general. But, there is a very good reason for TVIPs prohibiting sales. You may not realize this, but the cost of motorcycles might be much less in (Country X) and dramatically greater in another country (Country Y). So tourists could simply travel to Country X, buy motorcycles , enter them with TVIPs into Country Y and saturate the motorcycle market with less expensive motorcycles leaving the motorcycle industry in Country Y in shambles. And, the people who played buy the rules in Country Y, established their business, paid their taxes and worked hard are the victims of the "tourists" who enter into Country Y motorcyles on TVIPs that they have bought for less in Country X and take the profit from the motorcyle market that rightly belongs to those who create the legal motorcyle market in Country Y.


You sign over the title to them but forge a registration document with the new owner's name.
Signing over the title is only part for he transfer of title procedure. If you are transferring a title issued in one of the fifty States of the United States most States require the buyer to be a resident of said State, some require in person appearances, others require in State insurance prior/contingent to transfer of title and perhaps 50 other considerations (depending on the State) before the transfer of title is legal. So, the seller, if he/she hold a legal title still owns the motorcycle and is libel for the damages caused by the motorcycle until the title transfer is legal. And, any insurance purchased by the buyer - who is not the legal owner until there is effected a legal transfer of title has given any insurance company from which insurance was purchased a loop hole to avoid paying damages or legal consul in the event of an accident involving personal injury or property damage. What fool would ride a motorcycle continually owned by someone else, who is long gone and out of reach of the country, where an accident occurrs and knowing that any insurance the buyer has purchased is null and void due to no title transfer or an illegal title transfer because of the TVIP status of the motorcyle?



With this registration, they can travel from country to country.
this is simply not true. Registrations are generally not looked at - when entering a South American country, what is important is that the buyers name appears on the title issued by the State the motorcycle is registered in and this is determined by a look see at the license plate and the vin number on the motorcycle and on the title. If the title remains in the sellers name - your chances of leaving and or entering a South American country is complicated.

Since it will get a TIP at each border and not be driving in the US with the fake reg, I don't see anything wrong with it.
No, a new TVIP will not be issued unless the title is in the name of the person requesting the TVIP. And to get the State where the motorcycle is registered depends on the regulations of that State. I think only two States will issue new titles in *"absencia."

Some of the rules that exist in many countries are there for reasons that have nothing to do with the activities of travelers, they are designed to protect their tax base, which don't apply to us anyway.
Hello, are you an attorney, do you have the slightest clue for the reasons laws are passed in unnamed countries. I hope your scam improves before you actually implement it.

If it helps someone and hurts no one, i see no issue of morality at all.
I am continually amazed at the lack of reason and twisting of facts that I read here. Please try to project some semblance of reality in your posts, so others may not fall victim to your mistaken beliefs. Thank you, xfiltrate

PS. Before you say it, State to State title transfers are not considered "in absencia" in this context!!!
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