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if you show no charity for your fellow humans u better stay in the pub, because if u break down , or hurt yourself on the road you deserve to be left there bleeding.
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I understand your feeling towards the farmer. However, this accident was no more the bikers fault than it was the guy standing 100 yards up the road, so why should it be the bikers responsibility to pay for the cow? Charity is good, and it would be nice to help out every person we meet in financial difficulty, but taking responsibility for something that isn't your fault is just dumb.
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Lads a think a wee "chill pill " is needed
here....
Relax we dont know the facts...
please
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I understand your feeling towards the farmer. However, this accident was no more the bikers fault than it was the guy standing 100 yards up the road, so why should it be the bikers responsibility to pay for the cow? Charity is good, and it would be nice to help out every person we meet in financial difficulty, but taking responsibility for something that isn't your fault is just dumb.
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I don't understand how when you run into a cow it can be said that it was not your fault? I live in cattle country and don't often see cattle so fleet of foot that they can't be avoided by anyone traveling at a reasonable speed.
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I don't understand how when you run into a cow it can be said that it was not your fault? I live in cattle country and don't often see cattle so fleet of foot that they can't be avoided by anyone traveling at a reasonable speed.
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Then your cows must be pretty fat and lazy!
I've seen startled cows moving at a fair lick and, like a lot of animals, move unpredictably. At the end of the day though, what happens in OUR countries is irrelevant. It's what the local laws and rules say that matters. According to an earlier post the Ethiopian road rules state that if a motorist hits an animal it is the fault of the farmer who has failed to control his beast.
All I ask when I go abroad is to be treated with the same rules and respect the locals would treat each other. Unfortunately it increasingly seems that the greater wealth of westerners provides SOME* people with the excuse to fleece us. This encourages a 'them and us' attitude which helps no-one.
After all if I got in an accident with a rich American tourist, I wouldn't attempt to claim it was his fault just because I thought I might be able to get away with it/turn myself a nice profit.
Matt
*I say SOME because I hit a guys car in Morocco, entirely my fault, and apologised, offering him what I though it would cost to repair and he gave me about ten euros change! (and then offered me a meal at his house!)
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You could be right about the cattle here being fat and lazy. That would explain the great taste of Alberta Beef. This doesn't explain how a person could hit a cow hard enough to kill it and think that they weren't exceeding a safe speed. I have seen children darting on to roadways far quicker than most cattle.
That was my soap box portion. I agree that the price seems a bit high however I believe that payment was due to the owner.
If you come to Canada there are many places where you will be charged if you hit live stock wandering at large on the roadways, particular in any of the thousands of square kilometers of native reserves in this country. Yes there are often signs posted stating livestock at large however after 15 or 20 mminutes you tend to forget them. So if you wish to call the police instead of simply paying the owner then you get to pay for the animal, the repairs to your motorcycle, the fine and any other charges the Police officer, dragged out of his comfortable car, feels fit to apply.
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Then your cows must be pretty fat and lazy!
I've seen startled cows moving at a fair lick and, like a lot of animals, move unpredictably. At the end of the day though, what happens in OUR countries is irrelevant. It's what the local laws and rules say that matters. According to an earlier post the Ethiopian road rules state that if a motorist hits an animal it is the fault of the farmer who has failed to control his beast.
All I ask when I go abroad is to be treated with the same rules and respect the locals would treat each other. Unfortunately it increasingly seems that the greater wealth of westerners provides SOME* people with the excuse to fleece us. This encourages a 'them and us' attitude which helps no-one.
After all if I got in an accident with a rich American tourist, I wouldn't attempt to claim it was his fault just because I thought I might be able to get away with it/turn myself a nice profit.
Matt
*I say SOME because I hit a guys car in Morocco, entirely my fault, and apologised, offering him what I though it would cost to repair and he gave me about ten euros change! (and then offered me a meal at his house!) |
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Matt
You could be right about the cattle here being fat and lazy. That would explain the great taste of Alberta Beef. This doesn't explain how a person could hit a cow hard enough to kill it and think that they weren't exceeding a safe speed.
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Two good points! Highland cows are about as fat and lazy as they come and taste great! Plus, it didn't occur to me till you just mentioned it: how do you kill a cow on a motorbike without do some serious damage to yourself! I think we're missing the real point of this story: How to survive a high speed collision with a stationary object and walk away!
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What if the Rider was killed,
would the owner of the cow have to compensate his family?
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What if the Rider was killed,
would the owner of the cow have to compensate his family?
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Not up here, if you hit an animal that's your own fault.
I'm okay with that.
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