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10 Oct 2008
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I have drunk  in that town - there is a bar hidden away where only the deeply sad go. Can't remember where though. Sorry.
Keep looking.
Simon
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success - well sort of!
Problem solved thanks to Fergus and Ashablue who turned up at our hotel and set of in search - he must have a hell of nose as he was back with the amber nectar before I had a chance to even find glasses!
God it was good but Cathy is still in deep throes of 'waiting' as no wine - tonight I set off in search of wine otherwise she has threatened to go on strike!
IF I find the same place as Fergus found (THE outdoor / off license) I will get the coordinates and post them for future alcoholics.
Catch you all later.
Cathy and Bernard
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anybidy need to find a beer in Erzurum?
Well my friends - at great cost to myself and Cathy I must pass on the following details.
ESEF sign is to be found at: N39 53.337 E41 15.836
ESEF is the name of a  (I found out) and you may see the sign (if you are lucky) as you drive around. For now, you can also find a  in several other places:
The Palendoken Ski Lodge (it's is expensive here but a very nice Chardonnay can be had) is not far away!
Chris and Wes (two other people stuck here due to IranianVisa.com - may they only meet de-flowered woman in the after-life) found somewhere else and they may post the location.
Off to pop another can!
Cathy and Bernard
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Palendoken ski-lodge western prices.
7237 ft high
N39 51.617 E41 16.467
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