I had my first Pfizer shot 3 weeks ago, zero side effects, no discomfort, arm wasn't even sore. Getting my second shot today, glad to have it done.

I've been fortunate. My wife was ill with Covid last March for over 6 weeks and I didn't contract it (unless I was totally asymtomatic) and I even tested afterwards for no antibodies.

Looking forward to a motorhome road trip, with motorcycle in tow, from Utah to Virginia soon to visit my 84 year old mom. :-)

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Our youngest was meant to be getting his first jab the other day but it was cancelled due to a lack of vaccines and has been rescheduled for next Friday. He is getting it relatively early as his sister is classed as clinically vulnerable.

There seems to be a significant number of younger people that are planning on not having the vaccine as if “only kills older people”. A particularly callous viewpoint as well as inaccurate. The view others have taken is that they don’t want to risk getting a blood clot when they, if they are female, ignore the higher risk of getting a blood clots from they go onto the pill. it is all about risk perception.

On the other hand I know of people in their sixties and seventies that have decided against having it because they are in good health and they consider themselves too fit to be affected. Again, inaccurate.

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You will have to do without pocket handkerchiefs, and a great many other things, before we reach our journey's end, Bilbo Baggins. You were born to the rolling hills and little rivers of the Shire, but home is now behind you. The world is ahead.

I had my first AZ jab on Friday (age 54) felt a little crap the next day but soon recovered.

To me getting vaccinated is a no brainer, anti vaxxers, anti maskers, 5G towers, QAnon what`s next? idiots.

Mezo.

It seems to me that there is a great deal of muddled thinking going on around this issue.

If a person takes the vaccine then they are protected from infection and the health issues that the virus causes.

Therefore unvaccinated people pose no health threat to the vaccinated and it should be irrelevant to the vaccinated what the unvaccinated choose to do.

Consequently, an infected and contagious unvaccinated person can only be a potential health threat to another unvaccinated person or people.

If the above statements are to accepted as correct then there is no need for anyone to know who is vaccinated or who is not and as such "Vaccine Passports" are unnecessary.

I agree with Madbiker.

However, I'm getting my vaccination tomorrow.

Quite honestly, I don't want it. And I'm having it begrudgingly.

Because If I don't then I'm going to be discriminated against. Forced into paying hundreds of pounds for tests to travel or not be allowed to travel at all. Banned from sporting events or cruise ships etc. Obscene.

And in the U.K, they're putting the 'Covid Passport' into the NHS App. So really we're being digitally Identified and restricted. Another level of tracking and control.

It really is a forced vaccination program and a massive step in the wrong direction.

I'm not an antivaxer. I've had countless jabs. But they have been through choice. And a measured risk that I took myself. Being forced into a medical procedure to have the same human rights as others is illegal and I do believe, un-necessary.

Our lives will now be ruled and exploited by these new passports for god knows how long. Forever probably.

All for a virus that is dangerous to only 0.05% of the population. Knowing someone who's died of Covid is dinner party chat these days.

I know more people who have died from falling off ladders than of Covid.

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Rode some bikes.
Fix them for a living.
Can't say anymore.

If illegal, I'd sure be interested in hearing about the specific laws which make it so. Clearly, any country with control over its own borders can require any vaccine it deems necessary. You and I both carried yellow fever cards in South America, right? At work I've been required to have a pertussis vaccine during outbreaks. Schools here routinely require measles vaccines. etc.

And I know more people who've died from COVID--and WAY more who've gotten sick--than of yellow fever. So what's your point? That your personal experience is sufficiently central to dictate policy worldwide? Hard to see the logic in that.

There may be valid reasons to not want--or to complain bitterly about--vaccine requirements, but these are not them.

Jay Benson

Your response to my post clearly illustrates the muddled thinking that I previously referred to.

By definition a vaccine is a preventative medical procedure designed to provide immunity from infection and thereby prevent transmission of the virus or bacteria causing the disease.

If as you allege this "Vaccine" does not do provide immunity from infection then it is not nor can it be a vaccine. It must be something other than a vaccine and not treated as a vaccine.

With regard to some people being unable to take vaccines. Such people are in the same position as other people who have extreme allergies or who are unable to take certain medications..

The fact that a person cannot take a vaccine or has an extreme allergy to a substance is an individual health issue and it is up to them to take appropriate measures to ensure their own health.

I will repeat. I am not an anti-vaxer. But I am pro-choice. I didn't HAVE to get a yellow fever certificate for Brazil because I didn't have to go there. It was a holiday. And I was never asked to show it anyway.

Being imprisoned and segregated for the rest of my life because I won't take an untested and arguably unnecessary vaccine is VERY different. It's nothing but apartheid.

If I didn't have a measles jab or a flu shot do you agree that I should be quarantined from society for the rest of my life ?

However, it's not the vaccine I'm really bothered about. Because, like I'll say for a third time, I'm not an anti-vaxer. Although I am sceptical of how effective and safe these vaccines are. Considering the manufacturers are making obscene wealth and are not liable for any side effects.

I am EXTREMELY against being forced to show digital identification and potentially being "signed in and out out" of every public place I go to with an App.. It's an obscene attack against my privacy and freedom.

The U.K has said that it could bring in the right for all public places to ask for "Covid status" to allow entrance. And in the future, it could make that law. And automatic. Covid is here to stay. Vaccines are going to be annual for the foreseeable future and that means so will the tracking and control.

My fear is that the power to combat a pandemic is being abused to control our freedom.

What has already happened in the name of "National emergency" in the U.K is disgusting. The Government has pretty much made itself unaccountable for anything. And that includes syphoning off vast amounts of cash to their business associates.

My argument from the very beginning of this pandemic remains.

If only 1% of the population are at serious risk of Covid, why does the other 99% have to be locked down, vaccinated and controlled ?

Of course the answer is "To protect the health service" who can't treat 1% of the population all at once. But now a vaccine is out there and the health services are no longer at risk in many places, I don't see a legitimate reason for this overwhelming erosion of our liberties.

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The vaccine was NOT designed to stop you getting infected or being infectious. What it was designed to do was to significantly reduce the likelihood of you becoming very ill / dying from COVID. As it happens the vaccines have also reduced the likelihood of you getting COVID and reduced the potential for you to pass the virus on - by they have not eliminated the risk entirely. So even when you have had the vaccine you should still wear a mask as that reduces the risk of spread if you are contagious and it has a beneficial effect of protecting you to some extent as well. Wearing the mask properly remains important.

As regards vaccines some people cannot have vaccinations due to theirmedical conditions - my daughter has to be careful about the types of vaccine she has - for instance she can’t have a “live” vaccine - fortunately all of the COVID vaccines are ok for her - however if she were to get COVID then her prospects would not be great as she has a compromised immune system so would have difficulty fighting the virus. So to all those people out there that have had their vaccinations, a thank you from those that cannot have the vaccine - you are helping to protect them as well.

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You will have to do without pocket handkerchiefs, and a great many other things, before we reach our journey's end, Bilbo Baggins. You were born to the rolling hills and little rivers of the Shire, but home is now behind you. The world is ahead.

True enough.

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Even if I accepted this as true--it's not--there are real problems with this approach. In the U.K., for example, only 23% of the population is fully vaccinated (per New York Times, link below). In the USA, 32%. Germany, 8%, Spain 10%. That means that from 68% to 92% of populations of those countries is NOT fully vaccinated, which in turn means that from 68% to 92% of potential travelers are not fully vaccinated.

In other words, unvaccinated travelers pose a risk to the vast majority of residents wherever they go, anywhere in the world, with the notable exceptions of Seychelles and Israel. Even there, rates of vaccination are only 61% and 56% respectively.

This alone would justify ALL countries taking measures to protect their residents from travelers. Those measures might reasonably include travel bans, vaccine passports, COVID testing, and more.

This does not follow at all, for the reasons I've given (and for the many I haven't bothered with, some of which are addressed by Jay_Benson above).

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...s-tracker.html This may be protected by a paywall, but similar sources are easily found.

But people who choose not to get vaccinated are breeding grounds for mutations (which is happening right now) and the vaccines that are being administered right now may be of no use in fighting future variants.

And guess what happens then? yep were back to square one & all this work, money & lives lost will be for nothing.

Mezo.