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View Poll Results: Should Britain leave the E.U. ?
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What else?

What else do we actually do?
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After the kettle is on, what next ...........

Some commentary elsewhere has touched on an aspect that has received little attention so far.


This referendum has never been about the very-usual party politicking that is the norm for much of the time; from day one of the campaigning it has been obvious that all of the political parties in the UK, bar the recent UKIP, are split with advocates for both sides of the case.
But, the UK public has had enough – seen enough – heard enough; this is not about party politics but it is about a revolution against the establishment.
All of the establishment, across the EU and within the UK.
The current UK PM will come to regret his personal lack of success in his recent negotiation with the EU and his decision to take the lead in the campaigning for one of the cases.
As has been said previously, the vote that is one week away is just the beginning.


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On what? Nothing there that wasn't said before. In fact, that was all that was said before.

What else?
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....The current UK PM will come to regret his personal lack of success in his recent negotiation with the EU and his decision to take the lead in the campaigning for one of the cases...
My memories of this are

1. Cameron talks tough in his 2013 Bloomberg speech on what he will be asking for

2. However he realises he doesn't have any chance of achieving these aspirations and waters down his demands before presenting them

3. Cameron states if he doesn't get a suitable settlement he will advise people to vote to leave.

4. His watered down demands are watered down even more by Angela et al.

5. Rather than play hard to get and defer discussions until 2017, Cameron waves his 'peace in our time' settlement and presses the 'go' button on the referendum.

6. EU bureaucrats dismiss the settlement saying it isn't guaranteed unless written into treaties.

7. Despite his earlier apparent ambivalence towards which way to lean, Cameron announces he has such a great deal from the EU that he will lead the remain campaign which then unleashes images of the four horsemen of the apocalypse upon anyone who dares think of leaving.
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Turkey fails to meet criteria for visa-free EU travel

Oh dear, looks like the 80million Turks the Tin Foil Hat Brexit brigadeare trying to scare everyone with won't be coming to the UK

(look at that and learn..........relevant short concise and to the point)

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Turkey fails to meet criteria for visa-free EU travel

Oh dear, looks like the 80million Turks the Tin Foil Hat Brexit brigadeare trying to scare everyone with won't be coming to the UK

(look at that and learn..........relevant short concise and to the point)

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Thanks for pointing that out to use...however you did fail to point out that it wouldn't affect the UK as we are not part of the Schengen
But if they join fully!
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Thanks for pointing that out to use...however you did fail to point out that it wouldn't affect the UK as we are not part of the Schengen
But if they join fully!
I didn't fail to point anything out, the fact that the UK is not part of Schengen has been pointed out to the BREXIT campaigners many times but it hasn't stopped them regurgitating this, ad nauseum, as a reason to vote out

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Read for yourself the Turkey Cables in Full

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Turkey fails to meet criteria for visa-free EU travel

Oh dear, looks like the 80million Turks the Tin Foil Hat Brexit brigadeare trying to scare everyone with won't be coming to the UK

(look at that and learn..........relevant short concise and to the point)

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These are the leaked diplomatic cables referenced by the Sunday Times last weekend which show British diplomats discussing plans to allow visa-free access to the UK for over a million Turks. The key sections are highlighted, for example this bombshell paragraph which argues Britain should “assess again the possibility of visa travel”.






Remember the old political maxim: "It's never true until it's Officially Denied"

Folk still undecided about this could ask themselves two simple questions:

  1. Do I Trust David Cameron?
  2. Will Turkey be in the EU during my lifetime if I vote remain?

And simply vote according to their answers.

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Seriously, how much longer do we have to put up with this drivel?
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The Socialist case for BREXIT

Today, Labour Leave released their own movie outlining their case for BREIXT.

In the new film “Lexit: The Movie”, produced by Labour Leave, and while Jeremy Corbyn today tells Labour supporters in Yorkshire to vote Remain to “protect workers across Europe”. Komrad Korbyns ’s brother Piers demolishes the argument:

One clip is quite compelling:

https://youtu.be/qlxNc8BE-rg

the text:
“The idea that the European Union is a happy-clappy haven for workers rights is complete nonsense… We do not need an unelected bureaucracy to tells us, ok, you can have these rights. They’re taking the power to defend these rights away from us. What’s this about? We can defend ourselves. And once you give away the power to defend yourself to someone else, you know they can stop defending you. Look at Greece. Were they defended? No.”


View Lexit the Movie:

https://youtu.be/pq72f81kkM4
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Some commentary elsewhere has touched on an aspect that has received little attention so far.


This referendum has never been about the very-usual party politicking that is the norm for much of the time; from day one of the campaigning it has been obvious that all of the political parties in the UK, bar the recent UKIP, are split with advocates for both sides of the case.
But, the UK public has had enough – seen enough – heard enough; this is not about party politics but it is about a revolution against the establishment.
All of the establishment, across the EU and within the UK.
The current UK PM will come to regret his personal lack of success in his recent negotiation with the EU and his decision to take the lead in the campaigning for one of the cases.
As has been said previously, the vote that is one week away is just the beginning.



You are absolutely right – the “establishment” for want of a better word has revealed itself in all it's ugly forms during this campaign. We see it's international reach, its' contempt for the 99% and how it works together to maintain its' own narrow elites in their positions of wealth and privilege. Also we see how a handful of “useful idiots” repeatedly comes to their defence. Divisions have been made and things will not be the same after this referendum. Something has changed.


On the doorstep, the overwhelming response is to stick two fingers up to the establishment, the “one percenters”. People remember the expenses scandal, the way the banks screwed them over then screwed up then demanded they pay for it all. They observe our PM standing “shoulder to shoulder” with foreign leaders, smirking whilst they threaten our country. They see the likes of the Kinnocks with their snouts in the trough and they say “you want us to vote for this”? The elite feel entitled to their vote – they are in for one hell of a shock. This is a profound moment in our nations history and we are privileged to be a pert of it.


Cameron & Osborne are in the final week in office. Osborne's “nuclear option” blew up in his face yesterday with his “punishment” budget. However, this is not yet over. In their desperation to cling on they will turn Project Fear up to even greater hysterical levels in the final few days they have left. Be prepared. And then Vote Leave
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