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View Poll Results: Should Britain leave the E.U. ?
Yes 109 50.00%
No 46 21.10%
No.. But things MUST change 38 17.43%
I don't care 14 6.42%
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On the broader issues, it's been said that EU initiatives have improved our lives in many ways and I wouldn't disagree with this, but you don't have to be a member of a trading group to adopt the changes that the group decides. Even better, you can pick and choose which trading group's policies to adopt.
Do you have any evidence to support that? As I understand it, Norway is unable to choose which laws it can adopt or not, so long as it wants access to the common market, it must accept the laws and regulations which come with it. Without any vote, I might add.

Here is a former Norwegian finance minister talking about the 'Norwegian model' and Brexit;

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As an EEA member, we do not participate in decision-making in Brussels, but we loyally abide by Brussels’ decisions. We have incorporated approximately three-quarters of all EU legislative acts into Norwegian legislation – and counting. We have legally secured access to the single market, and we practise the free movement of people, goods, services and capital.

Norway is more closely integrated into many aspects of the EU than even some of the EU’s members. Our subscription to freedom of movement and our membership of the Schengen area means that Norway has even higher per capita immigration than Britain...

...Without [British] full European Union membership, however, it would have given up on having a say over EU policies: like Norway, it would have no vote and no presence when crucial decisions that affect the daily lives of its citizens are made.
This idea that we'll be able to leave and pick and choose what we want still sounds deeply unrealistic to me.
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And here was me hoping this thread would have run out of steam by now. The problem is: no-one knows what opinion is right and what opinion is wrong. Opinions can be right but they can also be misleading and inaccurate. None of you will ever solve this conundrum or convince someone else you are right, and the biggest challenge, get them to admit they are wrong.
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I can't do anymore, I voted yesterday!

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Do you have any evidence to support that? As I understand it, Norway is unable to ...
Thanks, but I don't feel I need to give you evidence to support what is a very simple concept. And WTF has Norway got to do with this????
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Thanks, but I don't feel I need to give you evidence to support what is a very simple concept. And WTF has Norway got to do with this????
Norway is the model in which the brexit campaign are saying we could be like. As they are a prosperous, happy nation. Apparently.

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Norway is the model in which the brexit campaign are saying we could be like. As they are a prosperous, happy nation. Apparently.

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Norway is no-ones model but their own. However, there is something completely familiar about their experience during that country's referendum:-

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A wee story to ponder upon
If you start with a cage containing five monkeys and inside the cage
hang a banana on a string from the top and then you place a set of
stairs under the banana, before long a monkey will go to the stairs
and climb toward the banana.
As soon as he touches the stairs, you spray all the other monkeys with
.. Cold water.
After a while another monkey makes an attempt with same
result.........all the other monkeys are sprayed with cold water.
Pretty soon when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other
monkeys will try to prevent it.
Now, put the cold water away.
Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees the banana and attempts to climb the stairs. To his shock all of the other monkeys beat the crap out of him.
After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb
the stairs he will be assaulted.
Next, remove another of the original five monkeys, replacing it with a new one.
The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment...........with enthusiasm, because he is now part of 'the team'.
Then, replace a third original monkey with a new one, followed by the fourth, then the fifth. Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs he is attacked.
Now, the monkeys that are beating him up have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs.
Neither do they know why they are participating in the beating of the
newest monkey
Finally, having replaced all of the original monkeys, none of the
remaining monkeys will have ever been sprayed with cold water.
Nevertheless, not one of the monkeys will try to climb the stairway for the banana.
Why, you ask? Because in their minds.............that is the way it has always been!
This, my friends, is how Parliament operates.........and this is why, from time to time:
ALL of the monkeys need to be replaced at the same time.
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