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Sorry to contradict you Tim but Triumph do indeed build different spec bikes for one out of fifty US states which in turn are different from EU, Japan or “world” bikes. All manufactures of vehicles follow this policy; indeed you can by Land Rovers & Lancruisers with “World Spec” for use outside the EU only – guess what? They are much cheaper.


What we are talking about in regards to the ECU is mostly a few lines of code in the software. As we have seen with the criminality of Volkswagen adding, deleting or “changing” code is a simple and no cost task.


I did point all this out in my original post on the subject.


Where I agree with you is in the matter of choice, both for the vendor and the consumer. Triumph made their choice and I made mine and bought a Harley and with a Thundermax ECU I can tune to my hearts content.


The central point is however, is it acceptable for the EU to dictate to you what you can and cannot do with your own property? Would you allow them to dictate the operating system on the computer you own and how is this different to the the OS on your bikes ECU?

Within this seemingly trivial matter a great truth about the EU is revealed; under their system everything is illegal unless the law permits it. Under our system and way of life we are freeborn and everything is legal unless the law says it is isn't.

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Another lunchtime howler courtesy of another hypocritical, flip-flop REMAINIAC




5 May 2013:Lord Sugar attacks the EU, says Brussels is an obstacle to his companies’ success:

“When I started my business years ago, to take on the first person, the second, the third, was bad enough – but now we have a further obstacle to worry about: the political correctness of things, the claims culture, and the health and safety. It’s no wonder some small businesses say it is too onerous and they won’t hire anyone. I blame the fact that we are part of Europe. I blame the fact that the Government doesn’t have the guts to say to Brussels: I don’t like it, we should start taking control of our own safety and health regulations and our own claims culture. I’ve been told we can’t because we are in Europe. I say, enough is enough! We are Britain; we were once a great industrial nation and now you’ve turned us into a nation of ambulance chasers and moaners and wastrels.”

31 May 2016: Lord Sugar lovebombs the EU, says Brussels is responsible for his companies’ success:

“I’ve been in business for 50 years. I’ve seen some pretty daft ideas in my time. And I’ll tell you one of them: Britain leaving the EU… When we entered the EU, it was a breath of fresh air for me. It opened up a massive market. I was free to sell to and buy from who I wanted and where I wanted. Honestly, that’s how my companies prospered… So, for the sake of Britain, I hope you trust me and my instincts, and, on June 23rd, vote to remain.”

"What changed his mind?"
Peerage, government job, government contracts, BBC contracts etc. etc.?

...what Srallan said of the EU just six months ago:- https://youtu.be/jnN9FNZI97k

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No, you didn't contradict me because I didn't actually express an opinion as to whether Triumph did or didn't do different spec bikes.

Well if the UK government has the power to dictate what you can legally do, then if you are a EU citizen you should accept the EU has a great deal of power in that area, which it has in any case demonstrated over the years in its dealings with Microsoft.

So it's back to exit or remain.

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