The SAAB Gripen would fit onto our new boats, the fish heads would get their flying pay and we wouldn't have to sign up to as many wars to get spare parts.

Andy

I was quite taken with Triumph's new Thruxton R and was in the mood to splash some cash on a sweet weekend bike such as this. Reading the test of the T120 in Bike magazine the journalist commented on the usual (new bike) poor fuelling caused by meeting EU stage 4 regulations. An easy fix with the right software however, the marketing director was quoted saying the ECU has anti-tamper software mandated by the EU making this impossible.


As most bikers will know, the EU five years ago attempted legislation to criminalise us for making the slightest modification to our own bikes/property, institute a surveillance regime compelling dealers and their mechanics to report us to the authorities and implement draconian penalties such as confiscation of our bikes for transgressions. Needles to say, the UK would gold plate such legislation, as is their way.


Happily, organised protests managed to water down the legislation and limit it to smaller bikes.


Confused, I wrote to the Triumph director quoted and good enough, received the following reply within 24 hours:

Dear Mr xxx


Thank you for making contact and raising the issue of anti-tamper as featured in Bike Magazine. I must also point out that I am marketing manager and not director as quoted!


Triumph ride by wire motorcycles do come with anti-tamper feature, this has been introduced by Triumph ahead of EU legislation coming in. You are correct, it is not mandated at present.


I hope this helps


Kind regards


Haydn

Clearly, Triumph are ahead of the game and know what's coming. Sadly for Triumph (and me) I will not be buying a new Triumph. The only way we can avoid such draconian legislation affecting us here in the UK, improve our bikes and freedoms is to vote leave.

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I was banned from Pistonheads.com for posting this on their forum. They gave me the following reason:

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Are you bothered? (to mis-quote Ms Tate).

It is reported that a number of the UK MSM have curtailed or banned comments to their articles in their online media; freedom of speech is a precious concept and it is not always around when you want it.

Some other news outlets went with this item yesterday:-
UK Better Off Outside EU, Economists Say
Positive thinking in place of the usual scare mongering.

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Dave

Piston Heads is an automotive forum, if they don't want political posts they are within their rights to restrict that. You do not have freedom of speech on an internet forum you have to comply with the forum rules.

Politics and religion always cause heated debates and a lot of forums I use for overland travel or automotive outright ban any discussion on these subjects to keep the forum focused and avoid arguements

(not saying fastship deserved a ban or supporting PH)

Really? Where do you supppose they will find a brake system expert that understands the UK trailer market? How about my customers, the ones making trailers in Belfast and Scotland and Lancashire and Yorkshire, will they ship fitters and welders in? And their customers? Sainsburys and ASDA and Morrisons can buy German or French or Turkish now but choose not to because they wont adapt the design to get into the centre of York or meet whatever safety rule Boris invents next. We export to Norway because the Germans only design for Germany.

Jobs that can be moved are already moving. To India.

Andy

Really.

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Paul "Every county of England, every country of Europe and every (part of every inhabited) continent of the Earth" 94% done! What's left? Central America, East, Central and West Africa, Australia & New Zealand

Yes I have just read Patrick Minfords (et al) paper and the take away point on successful BREXIT would leave the UK as a genuine free trading nation in which all goods & services would be bought and sold here at world prices.


Essentially, this articulates in a scholarly fashion a point I made here early on namely that the Mercedes Benz truck in that takes the cheap goods to the ship in China cost £30k whilst the Mercedes Benz truck that picks up the cheap (but now taxed) goods in the EU cost £130k. Following Prof. Minfords model, in a free, EU exited UK the truck would cost £30k here too.


The truck of course, can be an actual truck or a metaphor for any goods or services traded at world prices. Of course there will be adjustments but a genuine free trading nation rather then the EU customs union? I think that is an economy I would like to live with.




The paper acknowledges that the real winner for OUT is immigration and elucidates on the consequences and how a free UK will look post BREXIT.



re. Pistonheads - not much. It's a commercial site (so they have their "interests" to look after) populated by highly materialistic middle England types; it's like Radio 2 on four wheels

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Interesting article recently on how the European Union was actually a CIA project: The European Union always was a CIA project, as Brexiteers discover


Not sure Britain will be even allowed to leave the EU if it's true! But that explains Obama coming tell the brits how to vote !

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Maria

www.franglais-riders.com

Prof Minford was interviewed on the BBC yesterday and he got enough airtime to put across his main points.
It is of some interest that way back earlier in this thread some of these ideas have been mentioned previously- they bear repetition however, especially now that the much wider audience out there in the MSM is being exposed to the concepts.
e.g. WTO rules for trading would work well for the UK with no trade agreements in place, and nearly all nations on this planet are members of the WTO now.

As mentioned earlier, the EU operates a trade restriction policy which is particularly onerous for the emerging economies.

I also read that article published yesterday.
Ambrose E-P, the author, has something of a reputation for writng quite contradictory material i.e. contradicting points that he has written earlier.
Also, I think the Telegraph is one of the MSM that has banned comments about their articles - I could be wrong on that however; it doesn't bother me greatly and it was certainly highly predictable as this referendum approaches.

If you find the gist of the A E-P article of interest then you may like to search for "Gladio" online - therein lies another theory.

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Dave

That paper is from 2013.
The latest joint paper from 8 economists is located here:-
Economists for Brexit

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Dave

So what do people think will happen to all the EU citizens living here now if we leave ??

Will they be rounded up and sent home ?

Will Spanish and Italian workers be made to apply for a VISA to stay unless they are earning £50,000 a year (Which out of touch city Ministers think is an average wage) ??

I live in a city which is full of Continental folk living and working here. They are part of our culture now and almost everyone enjoys and welcomes the diversity and culture that they bring with them.

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Did some trips.
Rode some bikes.
Fix them for a living.
Can't say anymore.