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Originally Posted by Lonerider
But on the other hand I am assuming that being part of the EU and having an open market as such is better for businesses
If we can stay out of all the crap that comes with it and still help it grow that would be ideal
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Originally Posted by Keith1954
I like the thought of an affiliation of European states. Free trade without borders, etc.
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Is what was the EEC. A commerce and trade union for benefit of all participant countries. And as such it should had remained.
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That's the 'End Game' isn't it? a full European Union - a federated super state - the United States of Europe by any other name, with it's very own army .. and everything else; separated only by 28 completely unique cultures and economic dynamics, and at least 28 different languages. Yeah Right! .. that'll work [NOT!]
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That was the dream, of course. Utopia more than a dream if you ask me. It's insane to suppose that the interests of the UK are the same as those of Greece or Romania or Finland. Each country has its own history, its geopolitical influence, its international interests. It has always been a dream (or nightmare...) to think that the UK would go back on its relation with the US and Canada in favor of Europe. But this is exactly what the eurocrats believed. As a result both the UK and France have less influence in the world nowadays than each of them had twenty years ago. And, what is much worse, the EU has less influence in the world than the UK or France had twenty years ago. I think that the French already realized so and their intervention in Africa might be a way to recover some of the influence that they lost.
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Politically, why not work towards fully unionising these 19 states; they're halfway there already (a common currency, Schengen etc.) It seems this is what they are committed to and hell-bent on achieving in any case.
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Utterly impossible even in the eurozone countries. Right now the social and political climates to further the European integration simply are not there in any of these nineteen countries. Quite the opposite, in fact. The crazy euro-lunacy years (the 1990s) are long gone, forgotten and, I tend to think, slightly regretted nowadays.
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I enjoy being a European citizen
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That's a fiction, has always been and will always be. The European citizenship is an artificial creation with no real existence in the minds of the people. Further, it's not a real nationality. It's a words' game for one can not be an European citizen by birth or naturalization. One acquires the nationality of a real country and if that country is part of the EU one is also said to be, as a complement, an European citizen. But your nationality and country of citizenship is the United Kingdom. Neither in Europe nor anywhere else in the world you can answer in an official form, when asked about your nationality or country of citizenship with the word "European".
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At the end of the day, I'm a British subject, loyal firstly to Her Majesty the Queen and her elected sovereign government; this will always trump my European citizenship (and the foreign cronies that are empowered to control it.)
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URRAY! I commend you, Keith!  Those are words not commonly seen nowadays in any country.
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