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Originally Posted by craig76
You're probably right. However, Yamaha in France sell more Fazers than the top 5 UK (125cc+) best sellers combined (4 being sportsbikes). The new reg statistics suggest we may follow that trend towards bikes with more allround abilities. The comment I made about "pointing the finger" was made in jest so don't take it too seriously.
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That's why I said UK and used the past tense. Not taken seriously  . I've had a GSXRthou, RSV1000R, zxr400, cbr600 etc. Ridden the nurburgring briskly and completed 3 full seasons of club racing whilst I was at it. I like sportsbikes too.
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Autoboxes have hardly made an impact on 125cc+ motorcycles, other than maxi-scoots.
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Exactly they're currently expensive and deemed irrelevant to sportsbikes. I'm interested in ideas here. Things that will make bikes BETTER and flexibility is one of them - the option of auto for town and manual for the racetrack etc.. This was not an economics example but an innovation one. I don't need to labour the point here as thankfully Honda (for one) have finally turned up with an ABS that people actually want (more on traction control later) and I see 'semi'-autogearboxes will also follow suit. Included flexibility to make our lives easier and attract new bikers.
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If you drive a car from the last 10 years, it will without exception have technology that has filtered down from F1.
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Tired, tired, tired old cliche. My car has wheels but that doesn't mean the manufacturer employed the original Mesopatanian chariot wheel designer. F1 is necessary to showcase the optimisation of the current technology but as a true innovator and view into the future of transport it is not. Besides Toyota had sold 1/4million Prius' before KERS arrived in F1 and the Isle of Man ran their first electric Grand Prix!
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Advanced ABS systems and traction control are where manufacturers are putting their efforts and those technologies are now filtering down to the showroom.
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Yes, and so it should be. These ideas have been around for years and the irony is that both F1, MotoGP and WSB are struggling to find ways to "put the genie back in the lamp" because of calls that the sports are too expensive, too technologically focused and becoming too boring and too predictable (to the average joe). Hence the incessant rule tinkering. I'm also an Engineer and enjoy motorsport not because of what I see now but because it makes me look to the future.
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Originally Posted by craig76
Yamaha Fazer 1000. They're based on what is now very conventional technology but you can tour, scratch, commute, take a pillion and is quick enough for most riders.
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A faired one, yes. I agree, out of the current crop it is a fantastic bike. Bear in mind that the current bike is basically unchanged since 2006 and it still only does about 40mpg. Where's the magic in a retuned old R1 lump? You're unlikely to attain any vision of the new by just refining the old.
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Originally Posted by craig76
But, like I said and regardless of what you, I, the magazines or anyone else thinks, consumers will always dictate what the market offers.
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WE ARE the consumers. That's what we're doing now, isn't it? Dealers are like doctors, they see the symptoms but are rarely the right people to develop the cure because their knowledge is too broad - it just isn't their job. But like Doctors talking to the drugs companies, they are very important in channelling all that feedback and influencing what the public actually do.
I think I may have laboured the point here
Last edited by edteamslr; 5 Jan 2010 at 10:43.
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