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I wish your friend well in his recovery, but it is not the responsibility of the NHS to deal with that. It is already stretched to treat those that are entitled. Whether he gets treatment or not is of course, a different matter. He may, (in fact, probably will) but he needs to be prepared for the fact that equally he may not.

I have to say, I´m rather shocked by your response. I would have thought you could have left your politics at the door and offered some useful advice to people who are obviously in need of it.

Given that you had to bring politics into this, I would ask you to provide some actual facts and statistics on this so called ´health tourism´because I am unable to find any. I am interested to know if this an actual problem or is nothing more than part of the recent onslaught from the right-wing gutter press to deflect blame away from the banking crisis and mismanagment of the economy, onto the usual scapegoat - immigrants.

I did a bit of googling, but only came up with reports that no one actual knows how much so called "health tourism" costs the NHS per year. As far as I was concerned, anyone from an EU or commonweath countries with healthcare agreements, the NHS bills the government of the patient, and so costs are covered in this respect. As a sidenote, the government did claim the figure of 11m GBP as the lowest estimate (i.e. made up) cost of health tourism to the UK taxpayer, later they gave a rather vauge figure of £70m and £300m, any of those figuers set against 'efficiency savings´(i.e. cuts), of 20 billion GBP, perhaps you are barking up the wrong tree mate.

Interestingly, in study here, it states that, in actual fact, so called ´health tourism´actually benefits the NHS in terms of profit, it´s a long read, but worth it perhaps if you feel so strongly as to turn up here and start bringing tabloid politics into a thread that is quite clearly a call for help from people who do not have so many options left. For me, that is very "unBritish", but then maybe my values of Britishness are somewhat dated.

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If you read my previous posts properly you will see that my view is based on my own experience of working in the NHS, not that of the papers, which I don't actually read anyway for the very reasons you suggest.

As also stated, my wife is from overseas, eastern europe in fact, as are many of my friends and acquaintances. One of my best friends from my university days is muslim, as are many more of my friends and acquaintances, so I am actually quite sensitive to the gutter press' ill thought out, ill judged and frequently inaccurate reporting on immigration and the current hysteria over muslims and eastern europeans, none of which is relevant to this subject anyway.

Your post is irrelevant to the discussion as my post was not based on any particular view I may or may not have on immigration. Neither was it suggesting any value on the cost to the NHS. It was a statement of fact that someone who is not entitled to NHS care should not expect it and that the treatment of people who are not entitled has a cost (of, shall we agree, an unknown amount) which has to be found from an already overstretched service.

I would have thought it was useful advice to know that, after the difficulty and expense of getting to the UK, he may find he was told he is not eligible for treatment (as stated in the post of mine you have quoted). I would quite like to know that was a possibility before I set off. The NHS is tightening up on these things so you cannot assume treatment will be given.

Am I unbritish, well, I guess that depends on how you view over 20 years of service in her Majesty's Armed Forces!
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A piss poor attitude !!!

Reciprocal health agreements | Ministry of Health NZ

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Reciprocal health agreements.

New Zealand has reciprocal health agreements with Australia and the United Kingdom (UK). Under each, certain services may be publicly funded for people covered by the agreements. Those services may be funded to the same extent as for a national of the country they’re visiting or staying in temporarily.
I didn't realise that Croatia was part of the UK.

Wishing the injured rider a speedy recovery all the same.
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There are some Croatian guys over on ADVRider. Let me know if I can connect you with them if local help is still required.
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Hi All

Need some help as a NZ friend of mine, Deane Holland of Waihi (well known Tatooist and Aprillia Racer in NZ) is on tour in Europe, but within a couple of days got injured on a track day and is now in Rijeka Hospital with a broken collarbone, Ribs and Dislocated Shoulder.

He needs surgery within 4 days and wants that done in the UK. Any ideas! Such as perhaps you know a private pilot who'd be willing to fly him back at a reasonable cost. His wife Heidi is battling with the travel insurance to Air Ambulance him back, but still no decision made.

They will stay with us in North Oxfordshire and we would try and get him into a Banbury or Oxford Hospital for repair.

Thanks


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PS: If anyone is in the area and can give Heidi a little support, that would be excellent!
It's been 5 days since this post was made. What is the state of play with regard to Deane's treatment?
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My daughter lives in NZ and I have been a frequent visitor over the last few years.
I wouldn't dream of not having full insurance irrespective of any agreement between countries. What you certainly don't need in any medical situation is someone having to look through the bureaucracy & lying about what's happened!

What's so odd about this case is the accident occurred in Croatia and not the UK.
What exactly can't they do in Croatia that we can do in the UK? Apart from provide free treatment?
If that's the only answer for travelling to the UK, then quite clearly this is an abuse of our NHS rather than having an insurance company pay for private treatment - either in the UK or Croatia. If insurance has been taken out, why not go to Germany?
That was my thought process also, except for the bit about Germany - why Germany in particular (although the Croats have had a close relationship with that country, in the past)?


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It's been 5 days since this post was made. What is the state of play with regard to Deane's treatment?
If it was me, I wouldn't answer that until the dust has settled and there is an "end-state".
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Its an interesting aspect of this discussion to look (where possible) at the originating locations of those leaving comments or likes and how those are reflected in the nature of the posts.
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I second Chris's request for an update on Deane's treatment and condition.

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Hi All

Well the update is here and sorry for the delay, as just arrived in Rome for a few days.


Thank you to everyone who offered advice and help, but the final outcome was one that no one saw coming, The NZ insurance company insisted on flying Heidi and Deane back to NZ, as Moggy, you were right, as the accident happened in Croatia, Deane wasn't covered in the UK and they were only expecting NHS treatment if offered, as their cover would have seen them treated privately.

Anyhow, they flew back Business Class via Zurich and I will post any further updates from the couple when they settle in.

They also send their warm thanks and appreciation and were in awe of HU and all great people who are linked to it.

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