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Originally Posted by CornishDeity
As far as I am aware the British government was one of the first people to get it's citizens out of Guantanamo. It was the residence and others that they did not help (why should they???). I totally do not agree with Guantanamo BTW. They should fight to close it yes, but if you are complaining about the way the govenment interferes with British citizens you are choicing the wrong example, I am led to believe anyhow. If you know different let me know please!
I do agree that the state is by no means benign, but I just ask for a little bit of balance. To the everyday Jo, this country has a lot of good things going for it. To compare this in ANY way to Nazi Germany, as has been implied in other posts, to me shows either ignorance of what went on 70 years ago, or just a very bad argument.
Bit there are problems I do agree, but keep the scale correct is all I ask.
But to me, this debate is important ....... and the only way to keep it serious is to keep the hyperbole out and the facts in.
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Hi Ollie
No hyperbole BTW- not from me anyway. I did not say the UK was the worst, so you'll need to rethink that... And I didnt link the UK to Nazi Germany; please read the post accurately - find out about the word "Stasi". I also mentioned several issues where the UK has denied liberties that were hard won; you don't refer to these issues.
Liberty is not a privilege handed out by governments. It doesn't belong to them like some commodity.
I am against complacency in the UK, where people imagine that everything's OK. Don't forget you are a "subject" in the UK, whose Head of State is a monarch; a country without a written Constitution, and whose Upper House is stuffed with unelected geriatrics.
It's lucky we are also at least European citizens.
Come on Ollie - you've got a lot of reading to catch up on! 
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