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Bunch of hippies the lot of you

By this measure the most environmentally friendly transcontinental travellers were Ghengis Khan's lads. Ate locally, reduced the carbon boot prints of just about everyone they met (permanently), barely touched fossil fuels.

Simple truth, the planet cannot support 8 billion ACU's and Ford V8 pick-ups and humans do not collaborate outside their social groups. The other 7 billion people who are living in mud huts sure as **** aren't going to step aside while we wring our hands and decide between a Tesla and a bicycle made in a brown coal powered factory though, they'll be grabbing the first ACU they can. The human race is going to breed itself into oblivion and the survivors of the resource wars will just start the process again.

Go enjoy the world as it is, spread a little happiness , you won't change the outcome.

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Agreed, except we can take steps to reduce our impact, we can reduce our carbon footprint and we can still travel. Part of the environmental debate is ensuring that we stop burning fossil fuels indiscriminately - and we can relatively easily - we just need to decide to. This is a societal decision and people will need to accept that there are going to be changes - there will be industries that disappear, new industries and those that adapt to the new energy sources.

As individuals we need to as well as the costs of heating our homes is going through the roof - hopefully not due to lack of insulation. It is estimated that 25% of UK energy consumption is domestic heating lighting etc (excluding transportation) - controlling that will help control bills for individuals. That is why it is important that new houses integrate energy saving and generation technologies at the outset - so have solar panels for electricity and hot water, well insulated, use rainfall to flush toilets etc - all can be built in at little or no extra cost but they make a massive difference to the running cost and environmental impact of the house.

The same applies to new industrial buildings they should have, as a matter of course, have solar panels so that they generate electricity and feed the grid - it is not rocket science but the way some politicians speak you would think that you are asking the home owner to wear a hair shirt - how those politicians must have reacted when people decided that having a roof on a house was a good idea would be interesting to know.

Yes, there will be changes over a relatively short period of time but the alternative is even less rosy.
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As individuals we need to as well as the costs of heating our homes is going through the roof - hopefully not due to lack of insulation. It is estimated that 25% of UK energy consumption is domestic heating lighting etc (excluding transportation) - controlling that will help control bills for individuals. That is why it is important that new houses integrate energy saving and generation technologies at the outset - so have solar panels for electricity and hot water, well insulated, use rainfall to flush toilets etc - all can be built in at little or no extra cost but they make a massive difference to the running cost and environmental impact of the house.
I dont know, if the use of solar in the UK really helps, compared to use them in an latitude area with more sun.

To build a solar panel, to recycle them after 12 years (hopefully, currently they did end in the regular trash bin) - use also a lot of energy.

The whole discussion about Greta and the world who needs less CO2... I just remember about the forest dieback and the acid rain in the 80`s. We children was so anojed about, had bad dreams about the end of the world....

I`m not shure, how the people will discuss the C02 issue in 2050..

We are able to transplant organs, but we still didnt cant say how the weather will be in 15 days or if the next step will be a heat /ice age timeframe.

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Bunch of hippies the lot of you

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Go enjoy the world as it is, spread a little happiness , you won't change the outcome.

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Wise words!

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I dont know, if the use of solar in the UK really helps, compared to use them in an latitude area with more sun.

To build a solar panel, to recycle them after 12 years (hopefully, currently they did end in the regular trash bin) - use also a lot of energy.

The whole discussion about Greta and the world who needs less CO2... I just remember about the forest dieback and the acid rain in the 80`s. We children was so anojed about, had bad dreams about the end of the world....

I`m not shure, how the people will discuss the C02 issue in 2050..

We are able to transplant organs, but we still didnt cant say how the weather will be in 15 days or if the next step will be a heat /ice age timeframe.

Wise words!

Surfy
Have a look at this website - it gives a daily update on the energy mix being used. Today, 6 May 2022, it is overcast in the UK but solar is still generating around 18% of the UK energy needs. It also isn't very windy and the turbines are generating around 19%. Gas is kicking in 53% and other options - nuclear / biomass etc - are kicking in sufficient to allow us to export electricity to continental Europe.

We can transplant organs and as you say we struggle to give accurate forecasts 15 days out - however the body is not changing as quickly as the planet's climate systems and there are far more factors involved in the weather than in a transplant - also the recipient has to have drugs to stop rejection and the donor rarely comes out alive.
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