Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Planning, Trip > Staying Healthy on the Road
Staying Healthy on the Road Medical info, e.g. malaria, vaccinations, travel medical tips, medical insurance, where to find a doctor.
Photo by Anne Knoedler, Floating, Kolyma.

Adventure is what you make it

Anne Knoedler, Floating, Kolyma River, Russia.



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 7 Apr 2011
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: uk
Posts: 9
Question First Aid Training that is actually usefull!!

Hi Guys,
Part of my job involves going to some remote and sometime hostile places. Therefore work has just sent me on an a course that covered things well beyond the scope of a normal First Aid At Work or First Person on Scene- Intermediate, course. Including Needle Chest decompression, torniquets, canulation, emergency airways and many others. (These techniques are not to be used in the UK for legal reasons but are life savers in less developed parts of the world)
This is far from the only "first Aid" course I have been on but it is the first that I actually felt would be usefull in the sort of places that I and many others on here like to visit when traveling. Lets be honest if you roll your Landcruiser/ highside your Africa Twin in the middle of the DRC you want your travel companion to know a bit more than sticky plasters and triangular bandages if you are planning on surviving.
So my question is does anyone offer this sort of training for travelers? If not why not? Its all very well me doing the course through my line of work but if I am the injured party I would feel happier knowing that my travel companions have had some meaningfull training and could actually do something usefull in the event of me having life threatening injuries!
Is it just me or is QUALITY casualty care training the thing that most of us forget when preping for an expedition?

Off my soap box now

Jesus
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 7 Apr 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Hertfordshire, UK
Posts: 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by jesus View Post
Part of my job involves going to some remote and sometime hostile places. Therefore work has just sent me on an a course that covered things well beyond the scope of a normal First Aid At Work or First Person on Scene- Intermediate, course.

Jesus
I couldn't be more disappointed... After all these years i find out jesus has to go on a course to be able to heal the sick !!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 7 Apr 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Aussie expat in Switzerland half way RTW
Posts: 611
Quote:
Originally Posted by srace7 View Post
I couldn't be more disappointed... After all these years i find out jesus has to go on a course to be able to heal the sick !!
That's Jesus pronunced Hézus!!

Use the force Hézus.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jesus View Post
Is it just me or is QUALITY casualty care training the thing that most of us forget when preping for an expedition?
But more seriously, I thought about a good 1st aid training course but ran out of time and I only got as far as buying a 1st aid kit and getting top medical insurance with repatriation...

That said you make a good point and statistically speaking the 1st aid given in the first 30mins of any serious accident can determine the the life or death of a patient. Problem being that if you're the victim then no matter how much 1st aid training you have, it'll only be as good as you can manage to apply to yourself, see the connundrum?
__________________
TurboCharger + Francois (our BMW R1200gs) '07
www.riding2up.net, blog.riding2up.net
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 7 Apr 2011
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: uk
Posts: 9
lol long hair and beard equals one not very original nickname.

I was being serious in the question though is anyone doing these courses for travelers or does some health and safety nonsense prohibit it?

Jesus
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 7 Apr 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: BC, sometimes
Posts: 578
There may be this sort of stuff on offer at the Nakusp meeting in August. The problem with teaching things like needle decompression is that although placing the needle is easy, knowing when to place it and what to do afterwards e.g. when blood not air comes pissing out that is the hard bit. Can often do more harm than good in inexperienced hands. No disrespect intended.

Last edited by Docsherlock; 7 Apr 2011 at 17:12.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 7 Apr 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 235
Exmed

Try 'ExMed' in hereford.
They do a 'MIRA (medicine in remote areas) course which is very well accredited

Exmed UK prepares more than a thousand people a year in the delivery of emergency care in critical and acute situations


I did the course and it was very well put together.
__________________
Geoffshing

'Security is a product of one's own imagination, it does not exist in nature as a rule, life is either a daring adventure or nothing.'
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 7 Apr 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Hertfordshire, UK
Posts: 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by jesus View Post
lol long hair and beard equals one not very original nickname.

Jesus
Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboCharger View Post
That's Jesus pronunced Hézus!!
Not if he lives in the UK, has long hair and a beard...!!
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 7 Apr 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: NFA
Posts: 222
I couldn't be more disappointed... After all these years i find out jesus has to go on a course to be able to heal the sick !!


Srace7 - that is the best line I've heard in along while. V funny!
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 8 Apr 2011
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 619
Expedition Medical Training.

These people offer just such training. Suitable for solo travellers who go out for about 40 days so to speak. Lindsay.

ps There should be an 8 hour course at Ripley this June. It is to be as described, beyond that available in the more common 1st aid courses available in the UK. We're still working on it, with details to come later.


Wilderness Medical Training | Expert expedition medical training for laypeople & medics
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 8 Apr 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Bedfordshire UK
Posts: 54
There are quite a few companies that offer this sort of 1st Aid Course.

Mountain Leaders, Outdoor instructors etc. are all required to complete remote response 1st aid courses every couple of years. There is the Remote Emergency Care Level 2 which covers the basics or the more advanced level 4 which is often decribed as Expedition Level.

If you google "Remote Emergency Care" you'll get a selection.
__________________
Kev
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 9 Apr 2011
Selous's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: England
Posts: 437
Love the joke about Jesus.
However as a Ex paramedic in the Army rtd ,(2002), there are plenty of places to go & learn this, the question is really why are you learning it? if your on your own, may be broken leg ok but chest drain & a 'few' more complicated things no way, but as a group well & good.
I personally would suggest you go do a basic first aid course, which btw most places of work do as a free bee under heath & safety & duty first aider, these would probably hold you in better good stead, or if like where I live the Ambulance service gives up after 23.59 & all go home.
Learn to be a first responder, bit more involved & you do 'real' shouts get to do cpr defib etc
__________________
We are the Pilgrims, Master, we shall go Always a little further: it may be beyond that last blue mountain barred with snow, Across that angry or that glimmering sea.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11 Apr 2011
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 381
Quote:
Originally Posted by Linzi View Post
These people offer just such training. Suitable for solo travellers who go out for about 40 days so to speak. Lindsay.

ps There should be an 8 hour course at Ripley this June. It is to be as described, beyond that available in the more common 1st aid courses available in the UK. We're still working on it, with details to come later.


Wilderness Medical Training | Expert expedition medical training for laypeople & medics
My wife and I have been on the parts one and two of the WMT and thought they were ace. The only drawback in part one was in some lecture sessions there were a lot of people covering a wide range of experiences. We are novices, having only done 1st Aid at work essentially, whereas others were experienced nurses etc, so a few questions and topics were over our head. It is a little targeted at expedition based trips, so as lone travellers we were the exception and seen as slightly mad.

Questions are easily answered though, and we learnt a huge amount.

Part 2 is, and has to be, only about 20 odd people, so the student teacher ratio was much more personal.

It also raised a few questions about what we thought we could and would do, and to who, that we hadn't thought about before.

Highly recommended!

Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11 Apr 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: BC, sometimes
Posts: 578
The most important part of this sort of stuff is knowing when NOT to do anything. I have seen many times people who thought they were helping make the situation worse, sometimes much worse. The idea that you can learn to be a paramedic or ER doc over a course is misplaced. Doing some of the stuff that gets taught on these courses can kill people who would have otherwise lived in inexperienced hands and gives the traveler a false sense of safety and competence.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Which GPS is most usefull? Maatle Navigation - Maps, Compass, GPS 11 4 Jan 2011 20:02
BMW technical translation DICTIONNARY + other usefull kits w vincent danna BMW Tech 1 18 Sep 2009 14:05
VHF - is it usefull? furious Communications 1 18 Oct 2006 06:34
usefull info given for argentina vincent danna SOUTH AMERICA 0 10 Jun 2005 22:44
usefull info trui_gaea Europe 0 18 May 2005 22:21

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

HU Event and other updates on the HUBB Forum "Traveller's Advisories" thread.
ALL Dates subject to change.

2024:

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

HUBBUK: info

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 18:06.