You can get a neat little 32 caliber derringer that is smaller than a pack of smokes for about $60. Hide it really well, and leave the scene as soon as you pop a cap in somebody's ass. Don't listen to these Europeans and pacifists.

Nobody messes with the USA!!!

I hope you are joking Max, otherwise I am quite lost for words...

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wow yeah........... hope so too........

well Max... I suggest you rather stay at home and play cow boy in your back garden scaring squirl's.......... keep watching TV instead of thinking leaving your home town.......

I fare the Pisa study is right in some way........... oh dear... who is saving the world now ? ohhh yes "Team America" is on its way....... quick.... every one hiding......

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The trouble is that he was talking in philosophy, but they were listening in gibberish.

I think Ted Simon covered this off best - he says that carrying a weapon of any kind is just an invitation to have to use it.

To my mind pulling a weapon is a sure way to escalate the situation rather than calm it and get out of it alive, or without having had to injure or kill someone else - in very few situations will you pulling your weapon cause the people on the other side to run away.

More often than not the best way to deal with the most dangerous of situations is to smile, take off your sun glasses and engage.

I know us Europeans are so much more soft and squiggy than our American cousins.... but I think it's a point of view that exports itself around the world rather better than a gun-ho approach.

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The trouble is that he was talking in philosophy, but they were listening in gibberish.

Max,
WhTF have you been travelling that you feel you've needed a gun?!?!

Your rhethoric sounds dandy within the forum, but in reality...you'll get this guy in some deep shiiite with your ignorant rhetoric.

Sorry but I'm not gonna mince words on this one...

IF you carry a gun outside the friendly confines of the USA, you better be prepared to kill someone and deal with the consequences-if you pull it out.
If you're not, that doesn't make you a pacifist...it makes you courageous enough to deal with situations without the crutch of weapon.

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Small, easy to conceal, and very accurate up close. Got out of an interesting predicament in Guatemala because I had it in my pocket. Won't say more.

That is insane!

Next time those guatemalan robbers decide to rob a turist they might just shoot him first out of fear that he has a gun!

You are a disgrace to this forum and all other motorcycle travellers Max

And you were trying to arrange motorcycle tours at some point right? I will make sure to warn anyone I meet....

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Peter, it's time to Cowboy Up! The guy I ran into in Guatemala won't "decide to rob a turist" ever again.

Just saying.

An armed society is a polite society.

Dude, if you are PUI (posting under influence) then you should write it at least, cause I personally don't find it funny at all.

"Cowboy up." What bullshit. People with guns are people who are afraid and have low self-esteem.

"An armed society is a polite society" What bullshit. An armed society is a society in fear of itself.

If you say that those guatemalans wont rob a tourist again that must mean that you killed them. That would make you a murderer. I hope this is not the case, but if it is I hope that you will someday see the uglyness of what you have done.

If you gave them "a scare" then what makes you think they wont try to rob someone else? The fact is that most criminals are habitual and they will just step up the violence next time to make sure no one pulls a gun on them.
Incredibly shortsightet man!

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Peter, If I was under the influence, I'd be out riding my bike to another bar, not reading appeasement drivel on the internet.

self defense is not murder.

You're a liberal, aren't you?

Some words the British like using are, you FING TWAT

Warthog and AndyT are right - from a US perspective, it's a reasonable question. Most of us know that guns are a normal part of everyday life, up and down the Americas. Many of us have friends, expats and citizens, who have guns in their homes, in their businesses, sometimes on their hips. Culturally, it can be a bit odd for us, but that's part of travel, no? And even this European castrati appeaser red gets a kick out of letting off a few rounds in a Nicaraguan backyard every now and then. Bangs are fun. Cordite smells exciting. Coconut shies are made for Colt Commanders.

But that wasn't what created the stir. The noisy reaction was to one poster talking gleefully about murdering another human, both here and in another thread, in a tale smudged with sniggering smilies and home-run high fives. He's either a childish fantasist, a genuine killer, or a divisive troll. Whatever the answer, he's not the kind of fella who's gonna be especially helpful round here. My angry, abusive words were admittedly fuelled by a dozen pints of Guinness, and I'm sorry about the mess that the mods must have found in the morning, but this really ain't the place for that kind of vigilante dick-swinging.

And back to the original question, just in case it was genuine. It's a really bad idea to cross borders, travel foreign countries with an unregistered, concealed weapon. If you get caught, you'll do hard time in a very unpleasant nick. If you don't get caught (which means the gun's stashed, inaccessible and consequently useless), you'll still be worrying about getting caught everytime you see a roadblock, and that will eat into the trip's smiles. And if you get in a situation where you have to use it - well, as has been said - you'll either use it decisively, and have to deal with the corpse and the clean-up, or you'll have it swiped and stuck up your ass. Which will be like being in that unpleasant nick, but without the tenderness...

Make the trip, forget the gun, move quickly through the seedier border towns that spawn the lurid headlines, dive into the Mexican interior and have the un-armed time of your life.

Suerte, Dan

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Well spoken.

This is precisely my reasoning even though I consider the right to weaponry to be even more fundamental than the right to free speech.

Pepper spray while it has its limitations is a very reasonable compromise.

Pepper Spray can confer a substantial advantage even in the case of multiple adversaries or blunt or edged weapons. (carry a big can and be ready to spray and run)

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I think this is another wind up, but in case it is a practical though:

Pepper spray (and Tazer before anyone else suggests the things) is an offensive weapon in most of the world. You go to prison for owning it, you go to prison for assault if you use it, you go to prison for murder if you spray someone who's body can't handle it and they die. You also have the same issue you'd have with a small gun; injured/sprayed/fried people scream for their mates, call the police and go get their own weapons to look for the bloke who did it and stands out like a sore thumb even if he has made it thirty miles down the road.

Without getting into political debate (we'd no doubt disagree) which is for another site, the practicalities say no to any weapon, especially anything that has no other purpose.

If people really are that insecure, maybe do a self defense course or take up boxing or something? The men with guns can't confiscate your hands or head at the first border post.

Andy