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paperwork when selling bike in SA via hubb forum
Hello!

I want to ship my own bike to Chile then after ending my trip in Colombia sell it to someone on this forum. What to do with ownership papers after the deal? The bike is on me and has russian plates. How to change the owner?

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Where are you from and where will your bike be registered to start with? Different countries have different systems regarding change of ownership.
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I'm from Russia, my bike is registered in Russia. By law we usually make a contract of sale and when the buyer registers the bike on himself the seller loses registration.

When the bike goes abroad and stays there i must unregister the bike before crossing the border - but i cannot enter Chile without plates and papers - or i can take certificate of ownership with me home and unregister it afterwards - but shouldn't i give it to the buyer?

But somehow people buy and sell bikes here - they look for their countrymates or is the procedure different in the USA or Britain?..
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Unless you process the Importation taxes to the country you hope to sell it in (mostly impossible in most countries especially if the moto is more than 5 years old), then it is illegal to sell a foreign motorcycle in a country it is not registered in.

Even if you are able to do this, it may take one month to get the local registration before you could sell.
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Just get a poder and "borrow them" the bike. I suppose someone will have a go about that now since you mentioned you are selling it. But that's what everybody does if it's too complicated to transfer the ownership. And the person who "borrows" the bike can then "borrow" it to someone else when they leave.

Let the whining commence.
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Just get a poder and "borrow them" the bike. I suppose someone will have a go about that now since you mentioned you are selling it. But that's what everybody does if it's too complicated to transfer the ownership. And the person who "borrows" the bike can then "borrow" it to someone else when they leave.

Let the whining commence.
Still the PODER will only be good until the remaining TVIP 90 days (or less) expires, THEN the government grabs it!
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What about selling the bike in a Chilean "Zona Franca" - Iquique, for example?
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What about selling the bike in a Chilean "Zona Franca" - Iquique, for example?
Zona Franca has absolutey nothing to do with temporary imported foreign vehicles and a possible changw of ownership between two foreigners. Zona Franca is set up to sell some imported products with less custom tax to the locals. Cosmetics, perfume and chocolate are usually the best buys there....
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??? I don't get the people on here sometimes. Who cares about the TIP? If he sells it on the hubb, on foreign plates it's going to be to a foreigner who will leave the country with it. Why the fearmongering about the TIP?!

OP asked what do people do about the paperwork when people sell their bikes here. And here's what they do. They get a poder if it's not possible to transfer the plates in the original country of the bike. Pretty much end of story. Doesn't need to be more complicated than that. And for anyone about to say "but wait, it's not possible or legal because..." nearly ALL foreign bikes here are either still with the original owner, or on a PODER.

I have a poder on my bike (and my own plates once I've crossed the first border). It took an hour, and cost 10000 CLP around $20usd.

You know, I nearly put off my whole trip after reading some of the crap that people spout on here, luckily some people do give decent info, you just have to find it.
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They get a poder if it's not possible to transfer the plates in the original country of the bike
That's exactly what I asked. Thanks, NewbRider
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I'm from Russia, my bike is registered in Russia. By law we usually make a contract of sale and when the buyer registers the bike on himself the seller loses registration.

When the bike goes abroad and stays there i must unregister the bike before crossing the border - but i cannot enter Chile without plates and papers - or i can take certificate of ownership with me home and unregister it afterwards - but shouldn't i give it to the buyer?

But somehow people buy and sell bikes here - they look for their countrymates or is the procedure different in the USA or Britain?..
From what I know, Russia's procedure is indeed a bit more difficult than other countries (you have to bring back the paperwork and the plates to get it off your name... and until then, you're expected to pay road taxes on it?).

Most foreign bikes sold in South America seem to be in North American plates - US or Canada - and bought with the vague idea that someone will eventually go back up to Alaska with them and change the ownership to their name.
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From what I know, Russia's procedure is indeed a bit more difficult than other countries (you have to bring back the paperwork and the plates to get it off your name... and until then, you're expected to pay road taxes on it?).
Exactly. But actually you can go to a road police department and say that the bike was stolen or fatally damaged in SA with all the papers and you want to take it off your name.
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1. People who want to do everything 110% kosher will find that it not very possible down there. Those people are better off shipping their own bike to and out of SA.

2. People who want to do it in a mostly legal way and understand how things really work in SA will find it very easy and very possible.

Note: Option 2 requires a little bit of photoshop in most cases.

I was an option 1 type guy before going to SA but now I am very option 2 type guy.
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