Transfer of UK registered vehicle ownership in Peru, Bolivia or Brazil?

[benmbutler]

Hi
Does anyone have experiences that can help with specifics of transferring ownership of a uk registered vehicle whilst it is in South America?

We have British friends, travelling in a uk registered 4x4 in South America
When they return to the uk for 9 months later in the year, we plan to fly out and have an adventure in that 4x4 (we are also British).

In order to deal with officials and borders, we'll need to have the car ownership in our name (is anyone travelling in a vehicle that isn't?)

To do that i assume we will need to do the following, any comments?

- join our friends when they cross the last border before the handover
- they deal with paperwork for the country we're leaving, and ending the Temp Import Permit (TIP) there
- we then all sign the "Sales bit" of V5
- we then hope the officials at the country we are entering will put the new TIP into our name (new owners), and continue. (I've not met many border officials who wouldn't make that difficult or potentially costly or impossible)

OR maybe...

- Wait until our friends enter the last country they intend to visit before the handover, and get them to send us (in the UK) the signed "sales bit" of the V5, so we can sign it and get the ownership switched in the uk
- We fly out with the new V5 in our name, and join our friends when they cross the next border
- They deal with the vehicle leaving the first country, and ending the Temp Import Permit there, using the bit of the V5 they have (or a copy of the old one with there name on it). (Here lie potential issues again!)
- We deal with entry to the next country, getting the new TIP in our name using the new V5

What have other people done?
Any thoughts on weather Peru / Bolivia or Brazil are better options for this?
Any info great fully received!
Cheers

[mark manley]

What about you applying for a replacement V5 a month or so before you fly out and take the new one with you? The seller will still have the old one in their name and South American customs will never know it is really in yours, take bike and ride off.

[chris]

I'd suggest owner A "loses" their v5 and gets new one issued by the dvla and sent to their UK address.

The sale then happens in the UK and owner B (you) receives the new v5 in your name. You then fly to South America, travel together and leave one country with owner A and enter new country with owner B.

I'd suggest the Peru/Bolivia border at Lago Titcaca/Copacabana as a good location because the 2 border posts are out of sight of each other and it's all quite casual. In some other places they share the same building.

Are your friends in Oaxaca/Mexico at the moment? I met 2 UK couples in 2 UK Landcruisers (and 1 dog) yesterday.

[mark manley]

Originally Posted by chris

I'd suggest owner A "loses" their v5 and gets new one issued by the dvla and sent to their UK address.

The sale then happens in the UK and owner B (you) receives the new v5 in your name. You then fly to South America, travel together and leave one country with owner A and enter new country with owner B.

I'd suggest the Peru/Bolivia border at Lago Titcaca/Copacabana as a good location because the 2 border posts are out of sight of each other and it's all quite casual. In some other places they share the same building.

Are your friends in Oaxaca/Mexico at the moment? I met 2 UK couples in 2 UK Landcruisers (and 1 dog) yesterday.

I think this is similar to my suggestion but involves two lots of posting to the DVLA and a replacement costs £25, if the current owner sends the new keeper suppliment to the UK the new keeper can get one for nothing, I am sure having just the left hand part of the V5 will suffice for crossing borders as it has all the details on it.

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-log-book

[ta-rider]

Well for german bikes transfer of ownership is just handling over the paper "KFZ Brief bzw Zulassungsbescheinigung Teil 2) and writing a contract and paying. If the bike is financed and bank owned, the "cool" rider should not have this document (typical for BMW riders HAHA).

No Notaria needet as in Chile. One could legaly do so at a boarder between two countrys...export the bike from the old owners passport and import it on the new owners passport. (importing bikes with other names in the papers without a little bribe is not possible in every country) Therefor he might need a more common power of authority document too just to make shure if some stupid officials dont accept the "Kaufvertrag".

http://motorradtouren-suedamerika.de...t=en_ownership

Only problem for the old owner he keeps on paying tax and insurance for the bike untill the new owner unregisters the bike so the old owner should unregister the bike once he leaves the EU or should do so at an embassy. Cant be so different from UK bikes...EU procedures should be all the same...

[mark manley]

Originally Posted by ta-rider

Well for german bikes transfer of ownership is just handling over the paper "KFZ Brief bzw Zulassungsbescheinigung Teil 2) and writing a contract and paying. If the bike is financed and bank owned, the "cool" rider should not have this document (typical for BMW riders HAHA).

No Notaria needet as in Chile. One could legaly do so at a boarder between two countrys...export the bike from the old owners passport and import it on the new owners passport. (importing bikes with other names in the papers without a little bribe is not possible in every country) Therefor he might need a more common power of authority document too just to make shure if some stupid officials dont accept the "Kaufvertrag".

The best way to transfer ownership while abroad

Only problem for the old owner he keeps on paying tax and insurance for the bike untill the new owner unregisters the bike so the old owner should unregister the bike once he leaves the EU or should do so at an embassy. Cant be so different from UK bikes...EU procedures should be all the same...

Yes they are different and little or nothing of what applies in Germany applies to UK vehicles, luckily.

[chris]

Originally Posted by mark manley

I think this is similar to my suggestion but involves two lots of posting to the DVLA and a replacement costs £25, if the current owner sends the new keeper suppliment to the UK the new keeper can get one for nothing, I am sure having just the left hand part of the V5 will suffice for crossing borders as it has all the details on it.

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-log-book

Whatever the old and new owners want to do Mark. I'm in no way bothered.

With my plan, nothing is posted to or from South America, only the cost of 2 postage stamps in the UK, both parties end up with a valid v5 in their names (although owner A's is strictly speaking not valid), all docs are fully legitimate (originals always look better than photoshops ;-) ).

All for £25. I'd do this if it were me. Each to their own though.

Ps. On the replacement v5 that appears at owner A's address, someone should squiggle A's signature as the seller. It happens all the time in the motor trade when vehicles are bought and sold.

[benmbutler]

Thanks all, great ideas
£25 for a replacement v5, all then sorted by me in uk sounds like the easiest plan for us I think, I'll speak to my friends and we will hatch a plan.

They are in Land Rover Chris, and they we're in Mexico, but some months ago. It is a small world, but not that small on this occasion!

Thanks again all
Happy travels
Ben