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I confirm the are huge colonies of Memonites too in Bolivia on the track to San Ignacio heading to Brazil, east of Santa Cruz. I talked with a few of them during a riding stop in a bar and...i wondered if they just didnt come from another planet...rolled their eyes like a fried fish watching the zoom of my digital camera, asked me which language was talked in France, if it was far from Germany...I did check if their lil finger was foilded to make sure they were not some of those invadors chasing David Vincent in the 1960s tv series...
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I confirm the are huge colonies of Memonites too in Bolivia on the track to San Ignacio heading to Brazil, east of Santa Cruz. I talked with a few of them during a riding stop in a bar and...i wondered if they just didnt come from another planet...rolled their eyes like a fried fish watching the zoom of my digital camera, asked me which language was talked in France, if it was far from Germany...I did check if their lil finger was foilded to make sure they were not some of those invadors chasing David Vincent in the 1960s tv series...
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Lol, that gave me a good laugh. I have a friend who grew up on a farm in a small town and some of the questions he would ask me about sports made me wonder if he grew up on another planet too.
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Hey guys, now that I have been to Paraguay I wanted to update this thread with my info.
According to my Lonely Planet most non EU citizens including Americans, Australians, Canadians, and New Zelanders need a visa. For Americans the price is $100 US I think, for Canadians and Australians the price is $40 US for sure. To get the visa you must go to the capital city of the neighboring country that you will be crossing the border from. In the capital city you have to go to Paraguay's Embassy and apply for your visa which took me 2 days to get (it can take up to 3 days or less than 24 hours if you are lucky).
To apply for the visa you need to give the embassy your passport and wait the 1-3 day period it takes. Make sure you check at the embassy at least once a day and ask if your passport is still there. The embassy person may tell you (like they did me) to wait an hour and your passport will be ready. This probably means that you will have to wait 5 hours and have the embassy person apologize and tell you to come back the next day.
Note: In Buenos Aires the office of the Paraguayan embassy is near the subway station Callao (on the corner of Avenida Callao and Avenida Scalabrini Ortiz). The street it is on runs parallel to Scalabrini Ortiz and is the neighboring street. (I will try and update this asap but looking around for 10 minutes and asking a few people will allow you to find it to.
Note: You need to pay the embassy in US dollars but unfortunately there are no atms that dispense US in Buenos Aires so you will have to visit a Casa de Cambio.
Once you have your visa you are set for Paraguay. Just make sure that you cross at one of the mainstream border crossings so you can get your entry stamp and not have to pay a penalty fee at the next country. Be careful if you are crossing from the East because to my knowledge only Ciudad del Este has an immigration office. The other points around the country are Encarnation from Argentina, Fortin General Eugenio A. Garay from Bolivia, Pilar from Argentina, Puerto Iguazu from Argentina (by cheap ferry), Foz do Iguacu from Brazil (by bridge) and Pero Juan Cabalero from Brazil.
BTW: Pretty much everything x-filtrate said in the second post was correct. The only thing I found different was that you do not need small denominations of US dollars to pay for your visa, but it is probably not a bad idea in case you get the official in a bad mood that day.
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Here is information I thought was useful from the Trans Chaco thread:
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hey Mike
when I crossed the Bolivian border to Paraguay (from Ibibobo Bolivia) there was about 60 kms no mans land and then a paraguay migracion/import checkpoint - they didnt stamp anything but checked papers and sent me on to mariscal estigarriba for the Aduana form and stamp for the bike. I was led to believe that the passport entry stamp was possible to have at Pozo Colorado - the passport people in Pedro Juan Cabellero told me this when I arrived there to leave paraguay for Brazil ( I completely forgot the passport entry stamp - i thought the guys at mariscal estigarriba had done this - 50 dollars to rectify this on this brazilian side)
Aswell as this checkpoint 60kms in there was at least 2 other police/army checkpoints I went through with all paperwork checked - this is a big drug smuggling route between the two countries - i think you run the risk of been turned back if you plan on crossing the country without that temporary import form for the bike.
But you shouldnt have to go to Asuncion - you can sign out at mariscal estigarriba which is on the way
hope its some help
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hey mike
fuelwise all is good travelling east to west as you are through Pozo Colorado, Filadelfia and up to Mariscal Estigarriba - these towns and points inbetween have random fuel stations. After the latter you will travel about 180kms ( if memory serves me well ) to a town (townland?) called Estancia La Patria. There isnt a petrol station here as such but if you ask around you will find what appears to be an abandoned gas station (roof gantry and all) that will probably be occupied by a load of  can drinking paraguayans sitting around in deckchairs ( lovely guys the day i was there ) with one guy who sells fuel out of drums for reasonable prices.
At this point you have the option of taking the newly finished perfect asphalt road southwest for Ivibobo- Villa Montes in Bolivia ( this new road is not on any map yet ) or the old trans chaco road northwest to Hito Villazon (paraguay border) and on to Boyuibe in Bolivia. I imagine the latter route is the one for you if heading to Ecuador via La Paz but as i have only travelled the former I cant vouch for fuel availability on this stretch. So make sure to fuelup in Estancia in the event of this route being similar to the southwest Ivibobo route I took ( 300kms more or less without a fuel stop of any kind).
Ask the guys at Estancia La Patria about your route northwest to Boyuibe in Bolivia - they will know the lie of the land
best of the luck
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Hi,
i did end up doing that route last year, about August time.
There was a Gas station on the new Trans chaco road a bit after the customs and immigration checkpoint. And where the road splits for the old and new road.
HOWEVER it didn´t have any petrol when i went past. and i wouldn´t count on it now!
I found i needed a bit more range than the post above said. i think i covered 240 miles between fuel stops from Filidelfia, and the next town with gas in Bolivia.
However, the tarmac ended very abruptly at the Bolivian border, so i ended up trundling along in 2nd and 3rd for over 100km which saved fuel!
The bolivians are building their section of the road but are a bit slow! but they may have made progress by now , or not as the case may be.
there is not a lot to see, but the road is excellent and i got no hassle what so ever on that section, and the all border people where really helpful even after i woke them up from their siestas! not much was using the road at the time to be fair!
Went i got in to paraguay they said i didn´t need bike import papers, and weren´t going to give them to me. however at teh other end they wanted them. i explained and they said fine and i was on my way. but could have been worse , so just be careful.
The police also are dodgy as anything. they asked for all sorts of imaginery paperwork. to which i produced all sorts of equally implausible papers as well, with a "of course i have that". seemed to work. but don´t show a hint of doubt with them!
have fun
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The ruta 81 in Argentina, parallel of the paraguayan border, is a good alternative to the trans chaco road, and certainly less boring since you still have to fight against elements on a 100 km section (border between the states of Salta and Formosa). I advise to stop overnight at Los Blancos, in the middle of the gravel section, there is a hotel there that wont ruin you (20 pesos overnight with drink and dinner) and you can buy gasoline.
Interesting vegetation on the way, semi arid, it looks like Africa and aborigenes look like indians (from India). Once in Formosa, you could contact Pete there who takes care of a local motorcycle club (bastardos de formosa), he will most likely take care of you and your bike...
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I recommend applying for visa in north NE Arg
I read a post on lonelyplanet.com/thorntree from an Australian guy that waited 3 days for his Brazilian visa in Buenos Aires, and then was denied because he didn`t have a return ticket out as he was travelling (by public transport) overland wherever the wind blew. And a few other people had issues there, but then the same guy went to the Brazilian consulate in Puerto Iguaza and had the visa in 2hrs. He said they mainly gave him advice on where to go in Brazil than ask him questions. So I figured that in this part of Argentina it would be similar for Paraguay, and this morning I obtained a Paraguayian visa from the consulate in Posadas in 1hr, like they said! And treated me above average probably because i`m and extrajero (foreigner) instead of the dirty biker that I am.
They`re open from 7-11am each business day.
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I read a post on lonelyplanet.com/thorntree from an Australian guy that waited 3 days for his Brazilian visa in Buenos Aires, and then was denied because he didn`t have a return ticket out as he was travelling (by public transport) overland wherever the wind blew. And a few other people had issues there, but then the same guy went to the Brazilian consulate in Puerto Iguaza and had the visa in 2hrs. He said they mainly gave him advice on where to go in Brazil than ask him questions. So I figured that in this part of Argentina it would be similar for Paraguay, and this morning I obtained a Paraguayian visa from the consulate in Posadas in 1hr, like they said! And treated me above average probably because i`m and extrajero (foreigner) instead of the dirty biker that I am.
They`re open from 7-11am each business day.
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Good post, I wish that I had known that you could get your Brazillian visa in Puerto Iguaza. That way I could have taken the bridge from Puerto Iguazu to Ciudad del Este. (Some people say it is possible to cross the bridge without the Brazilian visa.)
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No problem riding through Foz De Iguazu, Brazil
The ferry Gato Gato was talking about is about 10km south of Ciudade del Este (PAR) where it crosses straight across the river to Puerto Iguazu (ARG). I know it leaves PAR around 8:30am and returns around 4pm, and parks overnight on the ARG side so must be an hour or 2 earlier for the other direction.
But i didn´t want to wait so rode over the bridge to Brazilian immigration/customs and the one immigration officer on duty said that "it isn´t right, but just ride through Foz De Iguazu (BRA) without stopping until you arrive at ARG entry. So i did, checked out the falls on ARG side while my Brazilian visa was issuing (5hrs with no more than passport & 2 photos required, open 8am) in Puerto Iguazu, and then when i re-entered Brazil to travel through Brazil proper, i stopped at their immigration and customs for the stamps and import doc. Kind of funny since i´d already ridden through their country!
At both borders each of the countries had about 5 customs officers for every immigration officer, so that demonstrates what their priorites are.
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