Brian and Marie,

gusonopa asked 3 questions.

After DLbiten answered gusonopa's question #1, question #2 seemingly became mute,

But upon reading carliO's correct response "for South America a Carnet is not necessary" and now knowing that gusonopa was advised by DLbiten of the intent of the Carnet de Passages en Douane, it occurred to me that gusonopa and others who are contemplating tours of South America might be misled into believing that the "intent" of the "carnet" (to prevent foreign tourists from selling their foreign registered vehicle or motorcycle in a South American country) might be lost by carliO's post.

The intent of the "carnet" was never abolished and is still in place in every South American country and the fact that the "carnet" is not required cannot be interpreted as "it is legal to sell my foreign registered vehicle or motorcycle in a South American country. The major difference between the carnet and the TVIP is that South American governments have decided to trust that foreign tourists will not violate the carnet /TVIP law, in lieu of requiring a cash deposit on the vehicle or motorcycle.

No, this is because of the establishment in every South American country of the Temporary Vehicle Import Permit, (TVIP) which carries the "intent" of the previously required "carnet."

I am sure you can understand my concern that readers, unlike yourselves, who have not yet ridden across a South American border might not understand that at each South American border the foreign tourist will be issued a (TVIP) that carries on the intent of the "carnet" prohibiting the sale of the foreign tourist's foreign registered vehicle or motorcycle in any South American country, without paying appropriate tariffs and registering the vehicle or motorcycle locally.

Once putting the TVIP on the table, I thought it more than appropriate to explain the Grant, Susan's and the HUBB role in the demise of the "carnet" in Ecuador.

Perhaps what you missed was gusonopa's question #3 :

"ill be tralvelling south america trough out(hopefully ) any sound advices??"

After having described the intent of the "carnet" is still the law in every South American country via the issuance of the TVIP at each border, the only logical advice I could think of - and still remain on topic- was to suggest to gusonopa and others that when touring South America:

"Let us abide by the regulations of the Temporary Vehicle Import Permits of South America by NOT selling our foreign registered vehicles or motorcycles illegally in any South American country that issues Temporary Vehicle Import Permits, and they all do."

Brian and Marie, I know this might be a shock to you, but even upon being presented with TVIP law that clearly prohibits foreign tourists from selling their vehicle or motorcycle entered into a South American country on a TVIP, (the same intent of the carnet), I have read posts on the HUBB advising fraudulent title transfers (by the laws of the State or country issuing title) and the "photoshopping" of legal documents, such as the TVIP. I was just as shocked as I am sure you are now.

I am sure the majority of foreign tourists who ride South America would not like to see the reinstatement of the "carnet" and the cash deposit, etc. so let's not allow the very few who conspire to break the TVIP law carry the day. Please abide by the laws first mandated by the carnet and now in force by the Temporary vehicle Import Permit.

I do hope I have answered your question about the relationship between a "carnet" and "selling a vehicle in South America.

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