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I wonder how consistent this will be, procedures before were also never the same, every bordercrossing was different, at some you got a TIP, at others they did not know what you were talking about. Police never asked about it as they did\do not know that it is different than for Mercosul vehicles which do not require a TIP.
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Yes, I guess we are all aware that the only fixed rule is that there are no fixed rules.
My confirmation came from a traveller who does not need a visa to enter Brazil, but he was still issued with a 90 day TIP.
My concern as I enter Brazil in a few days is that even if they do not issue me with a TIP at that western border, that doesn't mean I don't have to comply with the law that is on the books, so I would be very unwilling to take a chance and go ahead with my original plan to leave our camper in Brasilia for a year. Even before when no border post was issuing posts and 'everyone' said there was a free for all, my thoughts were that while they might have temporarily given up on the paperwork to save long lineups at the borders, the underlying rules still applied.
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Tony, et al.
If you are in Brazil without a TVIP, and you are concerned that you will be asked for the TVIP upon exit, then go to one of the badly controlled crossings. There are quite a few uncontrolled crossings with Paraguay (not just at the relaxed Foz crossing). There are also crossings with Uruguay which are a complete free for all (not Chui). Even up north, it's a wild situation. Chui is the most professional crossing i've seen in Brazil, so think about that for a minute.
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Yes, the falls crossing is a shambles, but I prefer to not push my luck too much. Just because the aduana man in Argentina was asleep under a tree last time I went through, doesn't mean he will be this time. Go over the TIP validity by one day in Peru and stories are you lose your vehicle. In Ecuador it is more than $300 per DAY. Don't know what the situation is in Brazil, but I do know that Uruguay have TIP validity of 1 year so why take a chance.
Brazil was never a place to leave a vehicle until world cup, so presumably there was a good reason for that..
Paraguay wants 160 dollars each for a visa and it can't be obtained at the border AND all my research points to a total lack of points of interest to me so it is not on our itinerary.
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"Paraguay wants 160 dollars each for a visa and it can't be obtained at the border AND all my research points to a total lack of points of interest to me so it is not on our itinerary."
Can Paraguayan citizens get a visa at the border in Australia? and what does it cost them each?
I notice a slight smell of arrogance in your comment 
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"Paraguay wants 160 dollars each for a visa and it can't be obtained at the border AND all my research points to a total lack of points of interest to me so it is not on our itinerary."
Can Paraguayan citizens get a visa at the border in Australia? and what does it cost them each?
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Totally irrelevant comment and the last half of the sentence is the key - and anyway,perhaps your nose is more attuned to your own odour.. They have to make up their own mind whether Australia is worth their while visiting. We can get a visa at the main airport as it happens but the cost plus the plane fare would make Paraguay even less attractive. No different to the decision we made to skip the entire central Americas, or not to go to Nascar town let alone go up in a plane or to bypass Salta and barriloche. On the other hand we have been through Bolivia and will be returning, not because entry is free (and I bet not reciprocated for Bolivians to Australia) but because it IS a very worthwhile destination regardless of cost. Argentina at 100 dollars and Brazil at $30 also good value. Paraguay is not and even if free, I would not go out of my way to travel there. Research "10 must-sees in Paraguay". After 5 they are really struggling.
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and anyway,perhaps your nose is more attuned to your own odour.
Really?????
here?
Its the WAY you said it tony
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I wonder how consistent this will be, procedures before were also never the same, every bordercrossing was different, at some you got a TIP, at others they did not know what you were talking about. Police never asked about it as they did\do not know that it is different than for Mercosul vehicles which do not require a TIP.
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Marker, any idea where I can read what countries don't require a TIP?
I am traveling with a camper, trailer and bike with Chilean plates and will leave all in Brazil for the next six month until I come back here.
I would love to know if its legal with the plates I have.
Otherwise I will go to Iguacu once I get back cross over and back to have 3 month traveling without worries.
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Just an update --
We entered Brazil a few days ago at Inapari, and I was interested to see what happened as far as the TIP went since recent reports that they had stated issuing them again.. Aduana palmed us straight through to Immigration and we were served by an Federal Police officer about to head off to Australia on official duties so he was keen on practicing his Australian drawl.
I queried him on the situation regarding leaving vehicles in Brazil and he said nothing has really changed and it has always been the case that even if they don't always issue paper TIPs at all borders, there is a very good chance that when you leave, they will want to see your vehicle registration papers to prove you are entitled to be driving the vehicle. The license plate details were recorded on our visitors entry slip this time so that constitutes a record of our entry. Not always checked, but often enough. AND there was never any relaxation of the obligation to take your vehicle out with you, just they didn't bother checking so rigorously. One of those cases we strike all the time where it isn't their job to make sure we obey the rules, just their job to catch us when we do break them so it is always on us to know what the rules are.
We'll leave our camper in Uruguay and save potential hassles.
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Marker, any idea where I can read what countries don't require a TIP?
I am traveling with a camper, trailer and bike with Chilean plates and will leave all in Brazil for the next six month until I come back here.
I would love to know if its legal with the plates I have.
Otherwise I will go to Iguacu once I get back cross over and back to have 3 month traveling without worries.
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Hi Groschi,
Having Mercosul plates it should not be a problem in Mercosul countries
But even then somerimes we get at some borders a TIP, especially in Argentina they are keen and also register your car at immigration. Brazil,paraguay and Uruguay are ok. Here in Brazil there are many argentinians 'living' here for a year or more and have their argentinian plates still.
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