Pantanal-Iguzu-Buenos Aires?

[Homer Susan]

Any ideas on good routes to take for this part of Brazil, Paraguay and Argentina?
Thanks
Susan

[rauleloy]

Venezuela - Boa Vista - Manaos - embarcada por el Rio Madeiras - Porto Belho - Cuiaba - Campo Grande - Pedro Juan Caballero - Asuncion - Reconquista - Rosario - Junin, mi casa (y me contas el viaje que yo pienso hacer en diciembre 2007 para el norte). Saludos

[Homer Susan]

Gracias Raule por la informacion. Esta es una ruta buena.
Va a esta en Junin en Julio? Podemos encontrar por una cerveza.

Ciao
Susan

[rauleloy]

Si, y te invito o los invito a descansar en mi casa (vivo con mi esposa y mis hijos). Si continuas para Ushuaia, julio no es el mejor momento. Sobre rutas argentinas tengo mucha informacion. Preguntame lo que necesites. Chau

[mother77]

If you are going back from Iguazu to BsAs through the state of Entre Rios, make sure you read up on the posts of the corrupt police in that state. It was the only problem i had in the whole of argentina, and as you will see from the many posts on here they target bikers and hire cars on Ruta 14.

They were asking for 200 dollars using the same lines and scams as listed on here. i ended up arguing the point and not paying anything, but was then stopped 5 times in the same afternoon, taking up about 2 hours in total.

to be forewarned is to be forearmed, and will give you an advantage if they try some of there tricks.

the only problem in an otherwise brilliant country.

cheers
mike

[Homer Susan]

Originally Posted by rauleloy

Si, y te invito o los invito a descansar en mi casa (vivo con mi esposa y mis hijos). Si continuas para Ushuaia, julio no es el mejor momento. Sobre rutas argentinas tengo mucha informacion. Preguntame lo que necesites. Chau

Muchas Gracias Raule,
Si no puedo ir a Ushuaia en julio. Voy a regressar en Deciembre por el ultimo parte.

Buena, voy a te llamar cuando estoy circa y conozco la fecha.

Gracias, Gracias, Gracias
Susan

[Homer Susan]

Thanks Mike,
I read some of those posts but hadn't put it together exactly where in Argentina Ruta 14 was until your post. Sounds like an exasperating day. Getting stopped by the cops 5 times in one day must be a record.

But I am thinking that if I go the route Raule suggested I miss out on Ruta 14 entirely. I see that Ruta 14 is further east than Resistencia and Rosario on Ruta 11.

My question is, is the problem just on Ruta 14 or is it the entire state of Entre Rios?

I just might end up going through Uruguay. That country seems pretty laid back.

In any event I will check those Argentina police posts out in more detail... Thanks for the heads up.
Susan

[Paul Thoreson]

Susan,

From what I've heard, it's only that part of Ruta 14 in Entre Rios where people have had problems. I haven't talked to anybody who has had problems anywhere else. The rest of Argentina is definately "laid-back", so don't miss out on it just because of the problems on that particular stretch of highway. I just completed Ruta 40 up to Salta, and have to say that it is the most scenic route in Argentina, especially the Lake District (not to be missed), and the provinces of La Rioja, Catamarca, and Salta. There was the ocasional police stop, but they usually just waved me through. If they did stop me, they were always very polite and correct, and only asked for minimal documents (if anything at all).

You also might want to reconsider the route that Raul gave you. Brazil has 7.000 km of beaches - some of the most beautiful in the world - and is know for it's beaches and parties. Most of the Brazilian culture exists on the coast. If you take that route you miss out entirely on all of that, Recife (y Olinda), Salvador, Buzios, RIO DE JANIERO, Florianopolis...just to name a few. You should also definately not miss out on the spectacular waterfalls of Iguazu.

Also, if you want to make Ushuaia, December is a much better idea, unless you have 4-wheel-drive on your bike.

[Homer Susan]

Hi Paul,
Thanks for the news that the trouble is mostly on ruta 14.
I am definitely planning on Iguazu and I know what you mean about the Brazilian coast. I was lucky enough to spend some time in Florianopolis a few years back. It is a beautiful place.

It is just that I live on the beach here in Venezuela. I'm not sick of beach life... it is just that I've had a whole heck of a lot of it in the last 4 years and would like to be in the "highlands" for a while. Plus I think it will be quieter to go inland. I like quiet.

oh yea, I am coming back at Christmas to finish off the south.

[maja]

Hi Susan, like others I had read about police corruption on ruta 14. I travelled it from BA to Iguazu in October last year and although over a 5 day period I was stopped twice each day, each time the police were polite and correct, not a hint of asking for bribes; however, I did have all the bike documentation including Argentinian insurance to hand so each stop lasted less than a couple of minutes. Give yourself a couple of days for the cateracts and the walks, they are all magnificent. Ride safe.

[Homer Susan]

Thanks Mike. Good news.
Cheers

[rauleloy]

Hi Susan
Yo pienso que ya iniciastes tu viaje al sur desde Venezuela. Que camino estas recorriendo? escribis en algun blog tus vivencias? Si llegas a Argentina tenes un lugar para descansar en mi casa. Suerte
Raul

[xfiltrate]

Ola, ojala que todo va bien. Pero si no estamos aqui para ayudar...
Please see my two recent posts regarding your route... under:

Travellers' Advisories, Safety and Security on the Road:

1. Middle east Intel: Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil and

2. North American & Argentine Police/avoiding tickets...

Just got an e-mail from Doug: http://dougsmotorcyclediary.com/

He is a great and trustworthy man, he visited Elisa and I here in Buenos Aires a week ago... His web site is worth a look and the true story (Project Catalyst) of how he became an international overlander like you is definately funny, insightful, and leaves one with feelings of courage and hope for the Human spirit.

[simongandolfi]

Hi, I did the mountains all the way south through Colombia, Ecuador, Peru and Bolivia and into Patagonia on my way south from Mexico to Ushuaia. I will be heading north in July (yes, I know - a really dumb month to collect a bike in Ushuaia but Old Men Can't Wait). I am considering taking the ferry north to Puerto Mont, then ride north up through Chile, across through Argentina to Paraguay and eastern Bolivia to visit the Jesuit missions, cross into Brazil to the coast and ride north to Belem, catch a boat up river to Manaus to show my Honda 125 its birthplace, then on through Boa Vista to Santa Elena and Venzuelan coast to Cartagena to find a yacht north to Panama.
Brazil frightens me. I am 74 and had a frightening time in Colon, Panama. How are the Brazilian and Venzuelan coasts? Dangerous? What should I avoid?
Thanks, simon

[rauleloy]

Hi old man
if you wish raid your bike in July in Ushuaia you are going to die.
Best will are you wait November and come to north with the spring. In Argentine the old man are young man in the spring (and the women too!!!)
Raul