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When I went to Nordkapp, i average 720km/day, and it was not
to bad.
XTZ 660 Motala to Nordkapp and back!

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Yeah if i go alone i would surely do a longer distance a day but since i think 1 or 2 friends will follow it seems dumb.
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Easy enough to do long distances in northern Europe. Not so easy if you're taking back roads through the Pyrenées or Dolomites. Dangerous, and maybe impossible, in Morocco during summertime. Always more difficult if traveling with others unless you happen to be very good matches (and no one breaks down). Always more difficult on a budget, too.

It's your trip, not mine....but you'll want to think about the fact that almost all responses suggest you're over-reaching.

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PS: have a look at today's thread about Morocco temps. This would not be a good time to be riding south of the Atlas. Over-confidence about such things can get you sick, injured or dead.
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Easy enough to do long distances in northern Europe. Not so easy if you're taking back roads through the Pyrenées or Dolomites. Dangerous, and maybe impossible, in Morocco during summertime. Always more difficult if traveling with others unless you happen to be very good matches (and no one breaks down). Always more difficult on a budget, too.

It's your trip, not mine....but you'll want to think about the fact that almost all responses suggest you're over-reaching.

Hope that's helpful.

Mark

PS: have a look at today's thread about Morocco temps. This would not be a good time to be riding south of the Atlas. Over-confidence about such things can get you sick, injured or dead.
Nevertheless it's feels good to have friend if a problem comes up!
Ofc am i not seeking my own grave so pushing me to the furtherst limit isn't an option.
Food and water storage can maybe take to place which the camping equipment would have taken.
A rather big miscalculation, if time expand is what the trip needs it will get it maybe 40-45 days.

One question also were to you get fuel?
I've seen a lot of videos and pictures were people stand with a olderly pump or even a bucket!!!
Is it usaly som signs put up or do you have to ask around in the local village?

PS: yeaah 40 degrees celcius seems quite freaking hot..

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Safe? Keep your wits with you, be consciderate and respectful towards others, stay sober, and think about where you walk after night fall, and you should be fine most places on earth. Morocco is safer than many places in Europe.

You plan to do a lot of kilometers - it can be done. But, you won't be doing much camping if you travel at that speed in this part of the world (if any) - you will be sticking to main roads, and ride all day, every day (forget rest days). You will never be too far away from a hotel, and you will want to stay in one with that travel pace. And, bush camping might not be so easy to find.

I would consider having my bike shipped on a truck to Malaga. Fly in, pick it up, and ride into Morocco the same day. Ride arround Morocco for a week or so. Then, spend another week or so to ride back to Sweeden from Spain. The days you have left over you spread across your trip... It will save you many days of boring expensive european highways and hotels. Also, you wouldn't need to backtrack over the same land twice. You would save time and money. You would see more stuff and travel at a nicer pace.

I usually travel very fast for 2-3 weeks at a time. I strongly advice against doing 14.000 kms in 20 days. In fact, even half that is a lot by many peoples standards.
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Safe? Keep your wits with you, be consciderate and respectful towards others, stay sober, and think about where you walk after night fall, and you should be fine most places on earth. Morocco is safer than many places in Europe.

You plan to do a lot of kilometers - it can be done. But, you won't be doing much camping if you travel at that speed in this part of the world (if any) - you will be sticking to main roads, and ride all day, every day (forget rest days). You will never be too far away from a hotel, and you will want to stay in one with that travel pace. And, bush camping might not be so easy to find.

I would consider having my bike shipped on a truck to Malaga. Fly in, pick it up, and ride into Morocco the same day. Ride arround Morocco for a week or so. Then, spend another week or so to ride back to Sweeden from Spain. The days you have left over you spread across your trip... It will save you many days of boring expensive european highways and hotels. Also, you wouldn't need to backtrack over the same land twice. You would save time and money. You would see more stuff and travel at a nicer pace.

I usually travel very fast for 2-3 weeks at a time. I strongly advice against doing 14.000 kms in 20 days. In fact, even half that is a lot by many peoples standards.
In a earlier post i've admited that 14,000km in 20 days was a miscalculation.
I was thinking about 40-45 days.
And then 3,000Km of the trip will be transportation.
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Safe? Keep your wits with you, be consciderate and respectful towards others, stay sober, and think about where you walk after night fall, and you should be fine most places on earth. Morocco is safer than many places in Europe.
There is a lot more to staying safe than keeping clear of muggers and thieves. Far more trips end due to accidents than violence--and Morocco is a good place to find an accident if you're tired, inattentive, stupefied by the heat (which last week ranged well over 40C), or inexperienced. Of course, the same is true of Europe--you're far more likely to get hurt riding in traffic than wandering into the wrong neighborhood.

OP, even at 40-45 days you're going to be hurrying a lot, although that's definitely an improved plan. Just be prepared with a sense of your own priorities so that when you're running short of time you know where to skimp. If you're riding with someone else this becomes even more important, since you might want to spend time exploring the Atlas ranges and then make a mad dash for home, while your partner prefers a leisurely trip through Europe with a side trip to the Picos de Europa (yes!) on the way back.

Fuel won't be a problem unless you get someplace unusually remote....and even then. When I need fuel in an area with no official stations I just ask around: there's always someone. You'll notice that locals don't usually fill up--they buy a little bit at a time, and therefore need to re-fuel frequently. That means there's usually a supplier close at hand, whether official or not. I carry a separation filter/funnel, but I very very rarely use it--even the fuel pumped out of barrels or poured from wine bottles is usually fine.

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There is a lot more to staying safe than keeping clear of muggers and thieves. Far more trips end due to accidents than violence--and Morocco is a good place to find an accident if you're tired, inattentive, stupefied by the heat (which last week ranged well over 40C), or inexperienced. Of course, the same is true of Europe--you're far more likely to get hurt riding in traffic than wandering into the wrong neighborhood.

OP, even at 40-45 days you're going to be hurrying a lot, although that's definitely an improved plan. Just be prepared with a sense of your own priorities so that when you're running short of time you know where to skimp. If you're riding with someone else this becomes even more important, since you might want to spend time exploring the Atlas ranges and then make a mad dash for home, while your partner prefers a leisurely trip through Europe with a side trip to the Picos de Europa (yes!) on the way back.



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I'm not that inexperienced i've done trips by myself all over scandinavia on my varadero 125cc were i where out in 14 days doing 4,000km at the most.
To Norway, Denmark ect.

Yeah i see your point, if i am gone 45 days i'll do cerk 270km a day which TO ME feels little but if i want a rest day i will have to do 270 x 2 next day.
In theory cannot i be gone longer than 45 days but then again i'm sure school doesn't mind if i'm gone 4-6 days extra

If a buddy where to come he and i will most likely brake up at the border of Spain and France when he don't have the kind of budget i have.
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"Yeah if i go alone i would surely do a longer distance a day but since i think 1 or 2 friends will follow it seems dumb."

Then you have to cut it to at least half.

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