I don't think we are singing from the same hymn sheet.

The CCM GP450 is (currently) only available new. So if you are going to usefully compare it to other bikes it makes sense that they are new bikes or at least used bikes of the same value. And there's not much point comparing the GP450 with bikes that aren't available new in the UK, such as the DR650 or DRZ400. Not sure the Beta 450/550 are available either.

The WR250 isn't "new for new about half the price of a GP450", it's £7,249 and then has to have larger tank and fairing to bring it up to GP450 equivalence. BTW, I don't understand your comment, "I've only test ridden one myself" when you said earlier that you had bought an Acerbis tank for your WR250?

The 450EXC doesn't have pillion pegs and is registered as a solo. The perceived wisdom on the KTM forum is that the subframe isn't strong enough for a pillion which gives me concern about the stresses of riding off tarmac with heavy luggage and camping gear.

CCM acknowledges that the 690 R is their main competitor. When I last spoke to the company the young sales lady was claiming she had many 690 owners trading in their bikes against a new GP450. Not sure how much of this was sales talk.

I think you've got this the wrong way round. Most people who are seriously considering buying a GP450 aren't likely to then turn around and buy a ten year old £2,000 Suzuki to do up. I'm not 'knocking' any of the alternative bikes, or the idea of buying inexpensive secondhand bikes, I'm sure they are all pretty good in their niche, but it's a different niche than buying a brand new lightweight adventure touring bike.

What still concerns me though, is Chris's comments about handling. And the lack of any reports of serious trips with luggage.

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