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Originally Posted by Jake
Dave knight and the BMW tie up / breakdown - who knows the full facts except Dave knight - but I would suspect if it was the bike it was the chassis that did not work fromwhat various reports say - but it could have been the rigid flexability shown by the BMW management that made it unworkable, I would expect the engine was reasonably fine for the job and Mr knight would be able to compensate for its shortcomings if any by his skill level.
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I agree, as stated earlier, most likely chassis and set up.
Also agree, the motor is most likely OK, after all, Knight's team mates scored well riding BMW's, podium finishes for two years it ran.
But no one has put 10's of thousands of road miles on that motor... YET. So, in a way, it's untested as a true travel bike motor. I'm betting it's OK given good maintenance.
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Originally Posted by Jake
The CCM engine is made in Tiawan not China - very different countries with different political and and economical bases
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Taiwan has struggled for independence since 1949, but these days it's widely recognized as being part of CHINA (PRC), just like Hong Kong. But still somewhat independent of China ... but make no mistake ... the PRC are really in control. Check your recent history.
Nonetheless, Kymco is a really good company. The culture and tech of Taiwan are far ahead of mainland China ... but Taiwan IS now part of China.
Taiwan have true 1st world tech (but China is getting there). China have let Taiwan remain somewhat independent, knowing it's in their interest to let this thriving capitalist success story alone.
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Originally Posted by Jake
Trying to compare a well built small manufacturer product with very high quality components and a mass produced tacked together budget bike will give massive price differences so comparing CCM to a Yamaha is not really fair the KTM is about the only comparable bike
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Having done a factory tour of Yamaha in Japan ... I can assure you "mass produced" does not mean "tacked together budget bike".

Yamaha don't do "tacked together", trust me, been there, seen it. Also been to BMW and Triumph.
You have NO IDEA how sophisticated Yamaha are, no idea the extent of their R & D efforts, torture testing and severe quality control. No small OEM can even come close.
KTM have got there after decades of problems ... and producing crap, real unreliable crap, having "basic principles" problems which the Japanese over came decades earlier. KTM worked hard, copied German and Japanese production techniques to get better and sold out to Bajai and their BILLIONS to get themselves to world class quality. They always made a good two stroke, but struggled for decades with their four strokes.
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Originally Posted by Jake
I think most people are forgetting the CCM sits somewhere in the middle and it need to be judges against something similar - but what ? it has the ability to carry luggage and be ridden for mile upon mile of road and motorway at motorway speeds with plenty left over for safe overtakes etc - then it can play in the grass and the sand. It does both well but does not exceed at either. Almost everything else mentioned in these talks has a big compromise one side of that fence or the other.
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This all sounds good and hopeful! How the CCM will actually hold up over the long term on the road, doing 10's of thousands of hard miles, remains to be seen. I wish them all the luck!