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Russia carnet situation
Hi,
Quick question.
Flicking through the most recent ABR, it says a carnet is needed to take a bike into Russia. This would seem to be a new thing, or ABR is wrong. I flippin' hope it's the latter or my trip is a bit buggered as I leave next week.
Can anyone please confirm that my British registered bike won't need a carnet to enter russia?
It also says I need an 'International Registration Certificate' if I'm going outside English speaking areas, something I've never heard of until today.
Funny thing is, this isn't one of my usual "Oh b*ll*cks I havent checked what paperwork I need until a week before I leave" moments. I definitely looked into this.
Cheers,
Matt
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5 May 2013
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What is the ABR?
I imagine that if the need for a carnet has suddenly appeared we would have heard about here very quickly. There a number of members in Russia right now.
So no I don't think a carnet is needed or even recognised (apart from the ATA one for goods - but that is a different beast again).
An International Registration Certificate is a translation of your current UK one into a number of languages, bit like an IDP. I didn't use one last year and I don't think they are strictly necessary, but Colebatch said they could handy a while back.
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5 May 2013
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Hi Craig,
Thanks for that reassurance.
Sorry, I should've been clearer. 'ABR' is 'Adventure Bike Rider' magazine. I never take advice in magazines as gospel (otherwise I'd be crying on the phone to the RAC right now), preffering sources like this site, but when you see something in black and white it's hard not to get a little worried. 
As long as the International Registration Document isn't compulsory and not needed to get into the country then I'm sure I can manage without it. Sounds like it might be a useful wee doc though. Might consider getting one for future trips.
Cheers,
Matt
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Hi Matt,
When we went to Russia in 2010 all you needed was your visa and an international drivers licence. Depending on what parts of Russia you are going to your green card insurance may still work as well!
We entered through one of the Finish borders. They checked our passports with our visas inside, international drivers licence and bike insurance. At the next booth you fill in 2 copies of the same form to temporarily import your bike... we had a 30 day visa but they decided that our bikes could stay for 4 months!
I think I have an english version of this form... when do you leave? If I find it later today I could pop one in the post for you so that you know what your filling in... instead of guessing which is what we did! We then got the english version when we went into Kaliningrad region and discovered quite a few mistakes on our first ones! ops! Or if you leave sooner PM me your email address and I'll take photo's of it... sorry... no scanner! (will get it scanned one day though... just need to find one!)
How long are you away for? What's your route?
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Hi Beej,
That would be great, thanks! I'll pm you my address and email and you can send whichever way is easiest for you. I am off next Saturday.
If you do decide to post, I'll try to scan at work and post it up on the HUBB.
Heading through Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and back through Finland and Sweden. A circum-baltic if you like!
Cheers,
Matt
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Russia doesnt need carnets. (nor do they process them)
Nowhere in the former USSR needs carnets.
Russia does accept green card insurance (if you can find a way to get it for a UK bike and if its marked as valid in Russia). Else you need to buy 3rd party insurance at the border.
IDPs and ICMVs not required, but can come in handy.
You need your drivers licence (plastic with photo the only bit they are interested in) and V5 (registration docs).
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beej
...At the next booth you fill in 2 copies of the same form to temporarily import your bike... we had a 30 day visa but they decided that our bikes could stay for 4 months!
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I've encountered this same process when I transit through Russia with new aircraft, delivering them from Canada to Asia (my day job).
Basically, you fill out two copies of the same form, one is retained at the entry point (usually Anadyr, in my case), and the other is surrendered at the exit point (usually Vladivostok, in my case). The Russian customs folks have a quite advanced data storage system, and they process the 'exit' document at the time you leave the country, thus cancelling the 'entry' portion of the document that you deposited when you entered the country.
I suspect - but I am not certain - that when they process your passport at the time of entry, a note of some kind is added to the electronic record indicating that you also have a temporary import of an object (aircraft, in my case) that needs to be dealt with before you leave the country.
I have always found the Russian customs and immigration people quite pleasant to deal with. They are very thorough, and sometimes it takes a while to get all the paperwork done on entry and exit, but I have never encountered any difficulties.
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been a while since I passed through but I vaguely remember that being the case as well.
Just make sure you keep ALL the paperwork they give you at the border as you don't know what you might need later!
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if you can't get insurance at the border you must get it at the next town if you aren't already covered by your own countries insurance.
If you don't have it and you get pulled, or even worse get in accident you are seriously in the poo.
If you need help with translating the Russian forms let me know, my wife's a translator.
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This fantastic stuff, thanks folks!
I'll print off these forms and fill them out. This site never ceases to amaze me - how knowledgable and helpful folk are!
Cheers,
Matt
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Originally Posted by Matt Cartney
Hi,
Quick question.
Flicking through the most recent ABR, it says a carnet is needed to take a bike into Russia. This would seem to be a new thing, or ABR is wrong.
Matt
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ABR is the motorcyclists equivalent to the 'SUN' newspaper, or the old Thin Lizzy song.....'Don't believe a word' 
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Chances are ABR copy/pasted their information from wikipedia or the FCO website. Both are as useful as the above mentioned Sun comic strip. The Sun has some nice pictures on the 3rd page, so is possibly more useful.
We know that HU is, by far, the most reliable and up to date source of motorcycle travel information.
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