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I shipped via truck from Moscow to Irkutsk this summer for about $600. In general it was pretty easy, but I think train would be cheaper so I may look at that next year (or maybe not, because the truck thing was easy enough where I'm not sure I want to try new shipping adventures).
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Also, I would look at the feasibility of bringing two bikes in a van into Russia, you might encounter weird customs rules, or rather prohibitions.
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I shipped via truck from Moscow to Irkutsk this summer for about $600. In general it was pretty easy, but I think train would be cheaper so I may look at that next year (or maybe not, because the truck thing was easy enough where I'm not sure I want to try new shipping adventures).
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Yeh, I think my Dutch friends paid 300euro (or was it 400?) each as passengers and 100euro per bike.
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Also, I would look at the feasibility of bringing two bikes in a van into Russia, you might encounter weird customs rules, or rather prohibitions.
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My mates drove in a car with 2 bikes on the trailer from Holland to Moscow. On the return, they train-ed themselves and bikes back to Moscow and drove home in the car and trailer.
I imagine the owner of the other bike would have to be in the van with me. Driving all that way, I'd need a co-driver anyway. I once drove a van with 2 bikes to Romania. The dude at the border was a bit confused, but as all 3 vehicles were in my name, it was cool.
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My mates drove in a car with 2 bikes on the trailer from Holland to Moscow. On the return, they train-ed themselves and bikes back to Moscow and drove home in the car and trailer...I once drove a van with 2 bikes to Romania. The dude at the border was a bit confused, but as all 3 vehicles were in my name, it was cool.
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That is all good to hear, but I seem to recall a thread on the HUBB about some guy who was turned away from the Russian border because he was trying to bring a motorcycle behind a 4x4, or something.
Also, I can tell you that I have personally asked one of the border guards if one person can bring in more than one vehicle at a time on temporary import, and they said "no" (van + moto = two vehicles...).
Anyway, as usual it sounds like the rules are a bit dynamic at the Russian border, but it would probably be worthwhile to have some kind of contingency plan.
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If you ship your bike by train, I would not recommend going with it, the train ride is really boring and you'd be better off IMO flying out to meet the bike and spending a bit more time in Moscow, Irkutsk, or wherever.
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If you ship your bike by train, I would not recommend going with it, the train ride is really boring and you'd be better off IMO flying out to meet the bike and spending a bit more time in Moscow, Irkutsk, or wherever.
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This was what I was planning/hoping to do. Had one quote of $1000 seemed very steep. 
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I plan to leave the UK 13th July 2012 and expect to be in Moscow 3-4 days later. Then hoping to freight/train Moscow to Irkutsk. Then I will then be riding in Mongolia 2/3 weeks. Then heading home to the UK. I have a total of 7 weeks and 2 days. Going to be travelling on a DRZ400s. Anybody else going about then?
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That is all good to hear, but I seem to recall a thread on the HUBB about some guy who was turned away from the Russian border because he was trying to bring a motorcycle behind a 4x4, or something.
Also, I can tell you that I have personally asked one of the border guards if one person can bring in more than one vehicle at a time on temporary import, and they said "no" (van + moto = two vehicles...).
Anyway, as usual it sounds like the rules are a bit dynamic at the Russian border, but it would probably be worthwhile to have some kind of contingency plan.
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That was quite probably me though nothing as grand as a 4x4! as the two of us were turned away from the UA/RUS border due to having three units of transportation and two persons, so it seems that can be an issue and if i was doing it again I would find another body even if only for the crossings
The trailer itself was a contentious issue as the uk doesnt have registration papers for trailers (carte grise?) I fortunately took the original sales invoice and had the document where my trailer was registered on the national trailer database thing that ifor williams do as a matter of course which seemed to be sufficient after a lot of shrugging and insistence from me
In terms of Borders I got the impression that were it not for the notes on the computer we might have crossed from LV/RUS it was a more relaxed border and they seemed to want to let us across, or maybe the guy with the big hat who made the decision was having a good day, either way big fail for me. 
Will be heading off again on just the bike next June though 
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That is all good to hear, but I seem to recall a thread on the HUBB about some guy who was turned away from the Russian border because he was trying to bring a motorcycle behind a 4x4, or something.
Also, I can tell you that I have personally asked one of the border guards if one person can bring in more than one vehicle at a time on temporary import, and they said "no" (van + moto = two vehicles...).
Anyway, as usual it sounds like the rules are a bit dynamic at the Russian border, but it would probably be worthwhile to have some kind of contingency plan.
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That was quite probably me though nothing as grand as a 4x4! as the two of us were turned away from the UA/RUS border due to having three units of transportation and two persons, so it seems that can be an issue and if i was doing it again I would find another body even if only for the crossings
The trailer itself was a contentious issue as the uk doesnt have registration papers for trailers (carte grise?) I fortunately took the original sales invoice and had the document where my trailer was registered on the national trailer database thing that ifor williams do as a matter of course which seemed to be sufficient after a lot of shrugging and insistence from me
In terms of Borders I got the impression that were it not for the notes on the computer we might have crossed from LV/RUS it was a more relaxed border and they seemed to want to let us across, or maybe the guy with the big hat who made the decision was having a good day, either way big fail for me.
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The "bike(s) in van to Moscow and the train/truck it to Irkutsk" is just one possible option. I believe my Dutch mates (car/trailer/2 bikes/2 people) took the shortest route via Belarus. If I did it, I'd probably go via Latvia to save on paying for Belarus visa. My backup plan would be park the van in Latvia and ride.
Having today ridden my DRZ for the first time in about 130 days, I forgot how uncomfortable the seat is... Yeh, I know I shouldn't be sitting on it, but standing and Airhawk/Sweetcheeks blah blah. I might take the Trannie from my cancelled 2011 trip and ride on pavement all the way ( http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...lia-side-57723 and http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...s-bright-57994 ). It would also be the cheaper option (but not the most fun...).
The ATA carnet problem/freight direct to Mongolia scenario is also not insurmountable, just a pain in the butt (like the Suzi seat...).
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