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Well, it's been one year already and many of you have downloaded this map. But my last visit there dates from 2 years back and lots of things have changed in Mongolia in the meantime.
I'd like to keep it up-to-date, with the help of you guys. Many are preparing to visit Mongolia in 2017 and I would like to get recent updates. E.g. I know that they've now surfaced the south road between Altaï and Bayankhongor.
Of course there are thousands of miles of tracks that don't appear on this general map, the idea is to keep only the main roads. But it would be useful to know when a road is being worked on, the surface type, etc..
Ideally, we would find all of this in openstreetmap, but the fact is, it's not very consistent and not updated very often. I've done quite a bit of editing already as I came across errors but it's a long shot.
So if you send it to me, I'll include it in the (always free) printable map and edit the correspnding data in openstreetmap (if not done already). If a new road is being built, I'd need the GPS tracks; if it's being surfaced, the current end of the roadwork; etc.. of course all of this would need to be sharable to the openstreetmap community, so no copyright stuff from Google/Yandex or such (as if Google was of any help in Mongolia..)
I don't think I'll add to the map all the POIs that are being shared, such as hotels and ATMs, that would clutter it too much. Petrol stations are now pretty frequent so I don't think it's so important anymore to mark them. New border posts or restrited area checkpoints are welcome. As are any suggestion ofr improvement, of course.
A v2.0 would come this fall with all the contributions from this summer.
Cheers,
Laurent
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Are you sure about the Altaï-Bayankhongor road? I thought only the first 120 km were paved. At least it was in October 2016. See To Mongolia: The Mongolian Road Network
I am interested because we plan to do the southern road this summer on a small 2WD car (not with the Mongol Rally), so I am a bit insecure about making 300km of gravel/sand/washboard.
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Josephine
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25 Apr 2017
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Last year, at July, there were some sections very close to be finished between Altaï-Bayankhongor.
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10 May 2017
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Passing through this year.
Thanks for the map!  I'm sure it'll come in handy.
We're hoping to cross Mongolia this summer. I don't know how to update the map I've downloaded but I'll make notes on paper and maybe send them to you.
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10 May 2017
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We're hoping to cross Mongolia this summer. I don't know how to update the map I've downloaded but I'll make notes on paper and maybe send them to you.
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I put my map notes on the map - keeps them all together.
Your changes might made directly into OSM if you join - free and easy.
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Thousands of 2WD cars do the Southern Route every year.
You will be fine
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Are you sure about the Altaï-Bayankhongor road? I thought only the first 120 km were paved. At least it was in October 2016. See To Mongolia: The Mongolian Road Network
I am interested because we plan to do the southern road this summer on a small 2WD car (not with the Mongol Rally), so I am a bit insecure about making 300km of gravel/sand/washboard.
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Dudes,
an update of this maps is way overdue. I'd like to get some feedback from you if you've been in Mongolia lately. Specifically, what is the progress of the surfacing on the South and Middle road. I guess most of the work is going toward those roads, but any input or correction is welcome too. GPS tracks welcome if it helps.
I'll gather your inputs and put together a V2 of the above, would be great for all of us. And I'll update OSM as well in case it's not up to date with the new info.
Thanks all and I hope many of us will visit Mongolia in 2019 !
Laurent
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Hi Laurant, didnt know that you offered this map, we went through Mongolia last August.
I knew about your book and didnt buy it because my French is mediocre, but I saw it with French travellers and decided to have a peak because your book is one of the few describing the tracks in and sights in Zavkhan / Khar Nuur area, that was great!
One small note there is that the last part of the road up to the center of the Khar Lake, where the sand dunes go into the water, is now blocked by some wooden poles, it is a protection area for a specific type of birds. This place:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/zH4Wj
We were still able to find a random way accross the sand dunes, or you could just stop earlier if you want to camp at the coast line.
Regarding the roads. Olgi to Hovd has a lot of parts with construction work but it is looking promising. Maybe next year most of it is finished, maybe not. But what was finished was really good.
From Ulaanbataar south to Gobi desert is now asphalt up to Bayandali! The rest of the sights in the Gobi are reached by tracks, probably how it has been for years. But rainfall made some cuts in the tracks. You can still pass all of them, just some have more erosion.
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2015, 2017 and 2018
Middle/Southern route:
UB to Kharkhorin all paved, Kharkhorin to Tstertseleg and Tosontsengel mostly paved, some small construction with maybe 30km detour, but this is mud when it rains.
After Tosontsengel maybe 30km offroad and from Telmen to Uliastay the last 50km offroad but motly prepared to be paved. But lot of potholes in this section.
Uliastay to Altai offroad, but good to drive.
Altai to Khovd paved, only minor detours from construction.
Khovd to Olgii first 50km paved, then 60km construction with detours ( bit sandy sometimes ) rest asphalt.
Olgii to border half paved, half gravel, but good to drive.
Northern route:
UB to Darkhan and Moron: all paved.
Moron to Khuvgul paved.
After Moron to Ulangom in 2015 only gravel, sand and mud tracks.
After Moron parts have been under construction for asphalt, maybe there is some progress already
Around Ulangom to Khovd a road with parts of asphalt.
Ulangom to Olgii or Tashanta:
Offroad, and depending on the track sometimes tricky.
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@Lovetheworld thanks! Yeah, it's a pity you can't go bivouac on the sand near the lake Khar but I can understand it would quickly get out of hands o good for them.
Ok, so they finished the road Dalanzadgad to Bayandalaï, good to know.
@klausmong1 thanks, so not much changed wrt to what's on the map, except for Altaï - Khovd which is finished and some progress from Khovd toward Tolbo (did they reach the pass yet ?)
Does anyone know if the Altaï - Bayankhongor is now paved ? and what about the Ulaangom - Songino road, they were pretty busy in 2015 on that stretch ?
Also, anybody been to Choibalsan, any new asphalt laid down out there ?
Thanks all,
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If I remember correct, the Buraat pass is now paved ( or shortly before being paved ). I remember it lost a lot of its nice overview .
It definitely has a new track and not the old one I did in 2013
From what I heard from Caravan travellers, They did a lot of offroad from Ulaanbaatar to Altai on the southern road, but I do not know which stretches.
A lot of construction still between Khovd an Tolbo in 2018
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Mongolia OSM
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Originally Posted by lbendel
Dudes,
an update of this maps is way overdue. I'd like to get some feedback from you if you've been in Mongolia lately. Specifically, what is the progress of the surfacing on the South and Middle road. I guess most of the work is going toward those roads, but any input or correction is welcome too. GPS tracks welcome if it helps.
I'll gather your inputs and put together a V2 of the above, would be great for all of us. And I'll update OSM as well in case it's not up to date with the new info.
Thanks all and I hope many of us will visit Mongolia in 2019 !
Laurent
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Hi Laurent,
we wanted to go Mongolia in 2019 and looking for the latest and greatest OSM maps including as much infos as possible. Can you share such download link if available?
Thanks in advance and cheers,
Holger
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google is your friend
Free worldwide Garmin maps from OpenStreetMap
Personally i think it is always ok if you want something and you are new to find a few nice words of Introduction instead of coming in and just ask for a favour.
But maybe I am old fashioned.
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google is your friend
Free worldwide Garmin maps from OpenStreetMap
Personally i think it is always ok if you want something and you are new to find a few nice words of Introduction instead of coming in and just ask for a favour.
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Dear Klausmong1, very sorry but I wasn`t aware of any introduction side but on the other hand I agree with you and would take the chance by now together with a big thank you for your link,
I am an 45 years old (young) German, living in Switzerland and ride bikes since child and now looking to extend my horizon in terms of visiting none-European countries on bike.
Very sorry again for any inconvenience raised and wish you a wonderful day.
Cheers, Holger
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Gruezi Holger,
if you have a Garmin unit, than follow Klaus link (it is often overloaded, so try again later if it doesn't work).
If you're more of a smartphone user, maps.me does a decent job, and it's free (although with ads nowadays), but there is also Galileo, OsmAnd, PocketNavigator, etc.
Don't ever use Google Maps in Mongolia, it's hopelessly wrong.
Tschüss,
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