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So NASA can't say Neil Armstrong was the first man to walk on the moon - they "simply don't know" if someone did it earlier!
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Doh you beat me to it and even used the same example
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That was exactly my point, so how can you tell if you are the first? You simply don't know.  |
So what you are saying is that no one can ever claim to be the first to do anything? Because they cannot prove that no one else has done it? Please explain how someone could prove that no one has ridden the BAM before? Are you suggesting that we might find decades of newspaper archives from the area with headlines such as: "NO ONE RIDES THROUGH HERE ON A MOTORCYCLE--AGAIN!".
Frankly I find your position rather odd.
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gentlemen,
can i say a word?
as i worked for the only soviet motorcycling magazine and the editor of the travelling department of the mag who by some coincidence was the head of Soviet and then Russian Committee for motorcycle travelling worked at the desk in the next room
i believe the information on any foreign mototravellers between year 1991-2002 was available to me.
there was no story about riding BAM road
it should be clear for any one - it was a road of no significance leading nowhere. what's more - no foreign person could be let go along strategic railroad in that times. not possible. it was a forbidden route.
the main road was ( and is) THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY which was fully surfaced with tarmac only a year ago.
in soviet era it was the same hell as road to magadan now and the goal of any traveller was to do it.
if some still need some proof from history please contact Mr. Ivan Ksenofontov ksenofontov@zr.ru who is the very editor.
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gentlemen,
can i say a word?
as i worked for the only soviet motorcycling magazine and the editor of the travelling department of the mag who by some coincidence was the head of Soviet and then Russian Committee for motorcycle travelling worked at the desk in the next room
i believe the information on any foreign mototravellers between year 1991-2002 was available to me.
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Very interesting, do you have any information about the attempt of driving around the polar circle in 1992?
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I believe you would do so and the same obviously goes for Colebatch and Tony P (and maybe most people). Now I know what they mean with "first" and I don't have any problems with that.
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Not only would I, I have already have 2 firsts:
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“ The FIRST tripled-balled slaphead to drive with a Malawian Togolosh to the end of the World on 2 different bikes twice within 12 months. So there!!!!”
From http://www.thebrightstuff.com/ch27.htm
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“The first man to ride an airhead into the ground... literally”
From http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=539228&page=2
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Well, I don't agree. I mean that if someone claims to be the first (or fastest or whatever) they have to prove it. I think Guinness book of records share my view.
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With all due respect, thats a ridiculous thing to say.
Neil Armstrong cannot prove there was no-one before him on the moon. He cant prove that an ethiopian empereor smoking weed didnt arrive there 40 years before him on a flying carpet.
No one can prove that someone hasnt run faster than 9 seconds for the 100 metres. Maybe someone has and it wasnt timed. Do you honestly think Usain Bolt has to prove to Guinness that its not possible for anyone to have done it faster than his 9.58 seconds?
How could Roald Amundsen prove that no-one had been to the South Pole before him? He couldn't, of course.
So of course Guinness do NOT require proof that no-one has done something before or faster. They require proof of what YOU HAVE done. If someone else puts their hand up and can verify they have done it earlier or faster, then the record is amended.
But to claim Guinness require you to prove no-one has been faster or earlier is frankly absurd, and shows that you are really just making this up as you go along.
You can't prove the negative. Either for the sake of science, for Guinness or for the sake of adventure motorcycling. I am afraid Guinness do NOT share your view.
You are pissing into the wind here ... and getting pretty wet boots ...
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... You are pissing into the wind here
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He does that.
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Getting a bit personal Colebatch?
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Let me guess, you are like the cheerleader for the Helge Pedersen fan club, right?
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I have never even been a member of any fan-club.
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And you have trouble accepting what anyone else does, post Helge, as having any validity?
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A lot of people (including you) have done (and will do) great trips. I don't have a problem with that, I love it!
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Do you even know what roads those lines (on Helge Pedersen's map) in Siberia represent? I think if you did, you would not have had this conversation.
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Sorry, I don't get your point.
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Everything you ever reference, from reasons you need a BMW boxer to travel round the world, or the reason you need metal boxes, and now even a map of Siberia ... you take straight from Helge Pedersen. (If Helge uses a BMW boxer and metal boxes, then its good enough for me ... why do I need to think, when I can just copy Helge, right?)
Do you have any opinions of your own? Or are you a straight disciple?
The key question is ... Are you capable of having a discussion about adventure motorcycling without reference to Helge Pedersen?
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That's a nice one, you start to write about Helge and then you blame me.
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This thread started because I asked questions like "Why do you think you are "the first"?" and "How is that possible to know?". I'm not to proud to say that I've learned a lot from your answers. Thank you!
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Sorry, I don't get your point.
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Well I didnt get the point of putting up a map of Helge Pedersens travels, in response to Tony suggesting you get out of your armchair - as if we wouldnt recognise that it wasnt Helge Pedersens map, not yours.
A map which in any case is unrelated to the point of attempting the whole BAM ... as the forum had already earlier collectively dismissed your deliberately vague suggestion that Helge Pedersen had attempted the whole BAM
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This thread started because I asked questions like "Why do you think you are "the first"?" and "How is that possible to know?".
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And I thought your question was adequately answered in the first few responses ... but you chose to go on, and on, and on ...
And then you came up with this ...
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Several people did this in the 90s
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Which you just made up right? You made it up to try and discredit what Tony had said. You literally made something up because you didnt like Tony's answer.
I mean ... come on! Thats just being ridiculous.
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