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When I left Canada for Alaska via the Alcan I had my carnet stamped at the border. Im thinking of going back to Canada via the Top of the World Highway. Will it be possible to have my carnet stamped at that border crossing to bring my bike back into Canada?
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That should not be an issue - it's just another Canadian crossing, they can all do the same stuff. It may take a while as they figure out what to do with you, but I wouldn't worry about it.
I DO wonder about why you're using a Carnet for Canada / USA, as it's not required? Where are you from?
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I'm from Australia, I think a carnet is required if you are not from th US. They were a bit taken aback at the Alcan border though. Most people passing through are from US
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No, your carnet is not required unless you are some sort of mysterious exception to the rule. They're perfectly accustomed to people from elsewhere in the world, but probably have seldom seen a carnet.

This implies that you should reconsider anything else told you by whoever said you needed your carnet.

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I was told I needed a carnet by someone who operates a motorcycle travel business from Australia and frequently runs tours in Canada. All the sites that list countries that accept/require carnets include Canada but it could be that they are accepted rather than required. I have read
that there is another document that can be used in their stead.
It has caused a certain amount of puzzlement when I have produced it but seeing as I have started I might as well keep going with it.
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It has caused a certain amount of puzzlement when I have produced it but seeing as I have started I might as well keep going with it.
I would suggest that once it is stamped out of Canada you pack it away and do not show it again, you are making a rod for your own back trying to get it stamped into and out of countries by officials who do not know what it is for, as Grant and Mark have said it is not needed and you were poorly advised to get one.
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Roger:

I can assure you that there is NO need for a carnet to enable a tourist vehicle to enter Canada for tourist purposes. This I know from assisting European riders who have shipped their moto to Canada.

Having said that, I don't know the exact details of how carnets work, so if you have used one to enter a country, I think you probably need to be sure to use it to exit the country as well, this to ensure that you "get your money back" when you eventually return to home.

If you are presently in the USA (implied by your post) and used the carnet to enter the USA, use it to exit the USA, but don't use it again to enter Canada. That will simplify your life.

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There's an interesting phenomenon we're all subject to when under stress--I think of it as a form of tunnel vision, but others describe it differently. It's characterized by doubling down on our original intentions the more things go wrong, as if that will make it all better.

A classic presentation involves people who give away everything they own in preparation for a predicted end of the world, or transcendence, or even abduction by aliens; when that fails to happen at the expected time, they commit even more strongly to their delusion rather than admit they were wrong.

You're getting some very good advice here. Don't make life difficult for yourself by sticking with what you were mistakenly told to do. And I don't know what's with the guy who runs motorcycle tours, but don't be surprised if HE doubles down rather than face up to the truth. For your own sake, just move on.
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Bad advice regarding carnets is quite common I'm afraid. For example - Official ADAC CDP issuer website has maps of countries where carnet is mandatory and some of those are completely false:

https://www.adac.de/reise-freizeit/r...sages-english/

Click on PDF links under "An overview - Which country requires a Carnet?" and see for yourself.

Countries like Ecuador, Peru, Kenya, Malawi, Myanmar, Timor-Leste and others...are marked as "carnet required" which is false.

So let's not judge new travellers who get bad advice from official organisations or tour operators (like in this case). These guys are probably trying to advertise and sell as many carnets as possible.

Instead let's point them in the right direction. There is an excellent website with an up-to-date world map of countries with accurate information regarding carnets and temporary import of vehicles:

https://overlandingassociation.org/carnet-de-passage/

Hope this helps.
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Also, loads of info right here on Horizons Unlimited on general paperwork information and a detailed explanation of how Carnets work, including a sample, and a link to a list of the latest info on countries that require a Carnet. Anyone can add to the info in the comments.

to reiterate: A carnet is NOT REQUIRED ANYWHERE IN THE AMERICAS for anyone, since 2005 when we and Ricardo Rocco in Ecuador and local motorcyclists successfully petitioned the Ecuadorian government to rescind the Carnet requirement.
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A possible caveat to the above statement:

It's POSSIBLE that a tour company bringing in a container load of bikes MIGHT be asked for Carnets, as it is a COMMERCIAL shipment. But even then I'd be surprised.

NOTE that Australia requires EVERYONE to use a Carnet to enter Australia with a vehicle. That may have caused some confusion.
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