Thanks for that info Dave. I will have a look at everything. My Cheap Chinese satnav keeps hanging, grrr so I am going to eed to buy something in a few months.

In that case, I would definitely give the 60csx a go: now that I have got over the wonder of touch sensitive screens I think there is something to be said for a GPS that uses buttons - positive control while wearing gloves for instance.

Anyway, you have the thing, so why not use it? As I mentioned, they seem to be rated quite highly by others. The only other thing that comes to mind is their "computing power"; maybe the older technology will be slow or not able to load up "big" maps?
I think they are water resistant and you should be able to get a mounting bracket to fix it to a bike.

Somewhere in here, not so long ago, is a thread about a different, cheap, GPS made in China (although that is not to say that Garmin et al do not also have factories in the republic ;-)
Maybe you have the same make??

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Thanks for that Dave. I have been playing around with it most of Sunday (Indoors mind you) and have some maps loaded and now just learning the different terminology.

Nokia Lumia 920's capacitive display works with gloves | The Verge

downside of using smartphone as gps device is that in the event the smartphone is stolen or damaged, you will no longer have a gps device as well. As we can buy gps device for US$100 or so, it makes sense to have a gps device in addition to the smart phone. The gps device is also much more durable and less sensitive to the elements than a smartphone.

I think you will find, reading back through the posts in this thread, that those points have been discussed and, some folks anyway, have found satisfactory solutions to each of them; satisfactory to them at least.
Personally, I still use a cheap mobile phone and an even cheaper (second hand) GPS; I don't mind if either gets broken, stolen, or whatever - so, there is another option, outside of smartphones (there are more mobile phones in the UK than there are people, certainly in my home).
There again, I like paper maps and compasses.


There are a couple of free softwares for smartphones identified in the thread linked below- I haven't checked back through earlier posts, so it is possible that they have been mentioned already?
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...432#post415962

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Not like those POS garmins

"Samsung launches waterproof and dustproof version of its Galaxy S4
The Samsung Galaxy S4 Active has been designed with parents in mind
It is a toughened version of its flagship S4 handset in a sealed case
Samsung claims the £480 Active is waterproof, dustproof and childproof
Yet the warranty does not cover for water and dust damage or 'neglect'
By VICTORIA WOOLLASTON
PUBLISHED: 11:11 GMT, 29 July 2013 | UPDATED: 11:27 GMT, 29 July 2013
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From spilt cups of tea to being dropped from on high, many a parents' mobile phone has fallen victim to adventurous children.
But one new handset - the Samsung Galaxy S4 Active - claims to be waterproof, dustproof and even childproof.
The company is said to have designed the phone, which is a toughened version of its current S4 handset, specifically for parents to avoid accidents and damage caused by youngsters.
Samsung's latest handset, the Galaxy S4 Active, claims to be waterproof, dustproof and even childproof.
Samsung's latest handset, the Galaxy S4 Active, claims to be waterproof, dustproof and even childproof. The company is said to have designed the phone, which is a toughened version of its current S4 handset, specifically for parents to avoid accidents and damage caused by little fingers
SAMSUNG GALAXY S4 ACTIVE SPECIFICATIONS
The front of Samsun'gs Galaxy S4 Active phone, designed to be childproof
Dimensions: 139.7 x 71.3 x 9.1 mm
Weight: 153g
Dust and water resistant: up to 1 metre and 30 minutes
Operating system: Android 4.2.2
Camera: 8MP rear-facing, 2MP front-facing
Chipset: Qualcomm APQ8064T Snapdragon 600
CPU: Quad-core 1.9 GHz Krait 300
Internal memory: 16 GB with 2GB RAM
However, the handset's warranty doesn't cover damage caused by accidents, misuse, water damage, defects caused by 'sand or dirt', or 'neglect'.
The S4 Active costs £480. It was announced in May, but officially went on sale earlier this month.
Samsung calls it 'the perfect companion for exploration, activity and adventure'.
It has been designed to stay underwater for up to 30 minutes and take pictures with a waterproof camera.


The handset additionally comes with a water-resistant headphone jack and is inside a sealed case to keep out dust.
Its LCD screen has a Glove Touch component that means it can be used with gloves, too.
Luke Mansfield, head of Samsung's Europe innovation team told The Times the phone was designed with parents in mind.
He said: 'We know a lot of parents use their phones to show children content. We ended up going to a lot of family homes where we were shown a graveyard of smashed phones.'
Yet despite Samsung's durability claims, the warranty that comes with the phone doesn't cover certain types of damage the phone was designed to protect against.
First discovered by VentureBeat, the warranty in the phone's user manual claims: 'This Limited Warranty does not cover: (a) defects or damage resulting from accident, misuse, abnormal use, abnormal conditions, improper storage, exposure to liquid, moisture, dampness, sand or dirt, neglect, or unusual physical, electrical or electromechanical stress.'
The S4 Active, pictured, costs £480. It has been designed to stay underwater for up to 30 minutes and can take pictures with a waterproof camera.
The S4 Active, pictured, costs £480. It has been designed to stay underwater for up to 30 minutes and can take pictures with a waterproof camera. The handset is a toughened version of Samsung's S4 handset and is inside a sealed case to keep out sand and dust
According to the phone's how-to guide, users must also correctly cover the USB ports and claims the phone should not be used underwater until these steps have been taken.
The Samsung Galaxy S4 Active is a direct competitor for Sony's Xperia Z, released in January, that has an 'anti-shatter film' on the screen, and is also water resistant up to one metre and 30 minutes.

Despite Samsung's durability claims, the handset's warranty doesn't cover damage caused by accidents, misuse, water damage, defects caused by 'sand or dirt', or 'neglect'. The phone's user manual explains the S4 Active is only water-resistant if the USB ports, pictured, are all properly closed