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it seems alot of the industry don't like the scheme either, but it can work well for those in position so i don't blame people for taking it up

it only benefits those that can afford or finance a new car, the government gives 1k and the manufacturer / dealer makes it up to 2k so you could probabily get that 1k anyway

but my concern here was the loss of good vehicles such as the quoted landcruiser and by all accounts alot of other classics and good vehicles have gone too.

he's going to keep a lookout for any more cruisers/hiluxes
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my concern here was the loss of good vehicles such as the quoted landcruiser and by all accounts alot of other classics and good vehicles have gone too.
Agreed.We had an MG Midget in for MOT a couple of months ago.It was a decent car,not like some or the rot box MGs that you see.The owner only wanted an MOT on it so he could send it for scrappage.

I have a thirteen year old shed of a Mondeo,it's probably worth about £400.It would be worth £2000 for scrappage but I do not want and cannot afford a new car,what good is the scheme to me?
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Why oh why oh why do cars have to be SCRAPPED under this scheme? Surely for some vehicles - like the ones you have talked about - the scheme should allow them to be sold, either overseas or to people who want them in the UK.

This wouldn't stop the scheme from working - what difference does it make to a customer whether their old car is scrapped or sold? All that matters to the customer is being able to take an old car to a garage and p/ex it for £2000 of the price of a new one. In some cases the s/h value for selling a car on would exceed the scrap value and make the scheme more economic in any case. France, for eg, has been selling its old cars to Francophone North Africa, rather then scrapping them, for years.
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Why oh why oh why do cars have to be SCRAPPED under this scheme? Surely for some vehicles - like the ones you have talked about - the scheme should allow them to be sold, either overseas or to people who want them in the UK.
It's because the scheme is supposedly designed as a green initiative to get older more polluting cars off the road, and not just as a stimulus package to encourage people to buy new cars. I agree with you though, in some cases it would be better if some of the cars weren't scrapped, case in point the MG and Toyota above. And that's before we even get into the huge amount of pollution generated in making a new car.

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France has actually been running a very similar scrappage scheme introduced well before the current economic situation and very much about removing more polluting vehicles. The cars are scrapped/recycled, not just sold off to some developping nation, it's about removing the pollution, not just exporting it.
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In some cases it would be better if some of the cars weren't scrapped, case in point the MG and Toyota above.
I entirely agree with you. We're replacing a car that does 40mpg with one that does 45mpg, an improvement that hardly registers in pollution terms. We would have p/x'd the car in the usual way last year but waited to see if our son wanted it. He's now gone to uni in central London, somewhere a car is the last thing you need so when the scrappage scheme came along it was an offer we couldn't refuse.

If pollution was the only consideration it would have been more logical to keep the 40mpg Fiat and scrap my 25mpg 1969 Lotus Elan, or if I really wanted to save the planet they should be crushing my 20mpg 1970 Kawasaki H1 500. Not only does it drink petrol, it also blots out the road with oil smoke as you accelerate - a real polluter. (Good job I got a "dispensation" for it from a bike enthusiast green party rep when they canvassed my street to talk global warming back in the summer.) However, though I'm happy to do my bit to save the planet there's not much chance that I'm going to get rid of a £15K Lotus rather than a £250 Fiat. It's a pity about the Fiat though. It's a car with a fair bit of life left but not much value and that's what counts the way the scrappage scheme has been set up.
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What a shame and a sham this is. People are being tricked into what seems like a good deal. It is nothing to do with saving the planet and all to do with selling new cars. So if you join the scheme you lose, firstly remember no one gives anything away, so you are not getting £2000 for your old car. its on the price in the first place. Second when you drive your new car out of the showroom you loose £2000 of its value!
Also it keeps the second hand market free of cars under £2000 so you cant buy your son or daughter a cheap first car. It also replaces easy to fix cars with not easy to fix cars. Think about it before you do it you will pay in the end, look further than your nose. keep your old car and your money.

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Another UK Government 'panic attack'. how much from the sales of new cars stay in the UK?
But then again, how much in child benefits also go abroad?
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Also it keeps the second hand market free of cars under £2000 so you cant buy your son or daughter a cheap first car. It also replaces easy to fix cars with not easy to fix cars. Think about it before you do it you will pay in the end, look further than your nose. keep your old car and your money.

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Again, no problems with any of that. A year or two down the road there is going to be a shortage of entry level cars and prices for those that are left will rise. In our particular case our son used the Fiat mentioned above to pass his test and our daughter still has a couple of years to go before she's old enough to start driving. We did consider keeping it for her but she's such a cantankerous little madam that she's told us where to stick it. Children eh!

On the economics of this I agree that the scrappage money isn't as wonderful as it first seems. Allow for the normal discounts / special offers and all the other marketing devices that the motor trade use to get us through the door and probably 2/3 of the money has gone. But because of the nature of my wife's job / tax allowances etc we were going to have to buy a new(er) car anyway and the scheme has just made us do it now - at a time when sales are down- rather than later. Which is exactly what the scheme was intended to do. I do feel a bit manipulated by it and various other gov schemes designed to keep us "on message" - don't drink, take exercise etc but that's a topic for another time.
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