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How about this one...?

Land rover defender 130 expedition.
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Very useful inputs !

I'll be looking for an old generation Hilux (1998-early 2005 if I'm not mistaken, before the Euro 3).

Anyway. To answer the question about the Landrovers or Landcruisers, I'd really prefer a pickup to stay as low profile as possible as danielsprague said. But I'll have a look at them too.

1) what is the maximum mileage you would consider buying ?
2) do I need to focus on diesel engines or are petrol ones fine too ?


Keep the ideas coming !

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diesel is better as generally cheaper, more inert, therefore safer as can fuel and more economical.

Age is, to a certain extent, not important, condition is everything
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The main problem with buying a pickup is that they are almost always work vehicles, often worked hard and poorly maintained, especially the bodywork.... keep looking for a good one and get some expert advice when looking at potential cars!
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Terrific Tojo's ;-)

Toyota is IMHO the benchmark. Having built a Toyota HJ75 series Land Cruiser Tray Back Ute (Pickup) 100mm shorter chassis then the HZJ for better entry and exits, Stating with a chassis and a tub, it turned out to be the most reliable, economical and all round beast I have ever owned. 10 years without an issue and was capable of 1350 K's @100 Kph without filling up.

Fitted was a 61 Series 12HT Factory Turbo Diesel Engine. Aux fuel tank, 75 Lt. Water tank and shower with pump. Thomas PTO winch with 50m of S/S 10m cable. Snorkel for deep water crossings, AC, CD, CB, Work light and Spotties, Super springs, Quality gas shocks, Non flip Shackles and 33 inch tyres.

Build time was about 3 months, cost was around 10K AU at the time and wouldn't be all that much more now if you had the time to swap out or source parts. Bullet proof engines, kicking myself for selling it

Failing that just buy a 61 Series Sahara Wagon with the 12HT motor in it. Or, I now own a Toyota Hilux Extra Cab Ute, a great combination because you can carry 4 passenger's if need be and there's enough room to lock up personal belongings and still have a usable sized ute, reasonably cheap and a very reliable, economical and capable 4X4.

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I would suggest to take an VW Amorak.

In germany at sample, your Car has to fulfill the Euro4 Emission Standard, that you can use your car in the bigger cities like Berlin.

In times where the EU can add additional taxes for old cars, or define areas where older cars arent allowed - you should go with the time.

The VW Amorak has a wide base, give you more room to build a cargo-room or an Sleeping Area like this:



To have 10cm more in the width is a big bargain! Far I know has the VW much more than just 10cm more with to his competitors..

A trip to Senegal and back you can do with near any car, that shouldnt give you any restrictions for choosing your Pickup.

For an extended trip there is more to consider with modern Cars: 4x4tripping: Using an Euro5 Diesel car for an worldtrip?

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I won't go over the arguments of new vs old as it has been done to death, however:

The Amarok has had loads of problems with reliability and build quality. Check out the forums. It is a new, relatively untested design. VW has no history of building this type of vehicle. It has a highly tuned and complex twin turbo 2.0 engine. It has no low range box, which gives you some indication of it's off road intentions.

Whilst it may be nice to drive around the streets of Berlin, it would be, in my opinion, about the worst choice of vehicle you could make for overlanding! It is simply not up to the job. You would probably be better off taking VW Golf!

If you are looking at new there are only 2 realistic choices of pickup that have the credibility, reputation and reliability, and when your life depends on your vehicle starting in the morning, that counts for a lot. 1st is the Hilux, 2nd is the Isuzu Dmax.

thats an L200 in the piccie above BTW, also a not terribly good vehicle!
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Electronic may cause headaches.

A close friend has recently faced difficulties with the electronic fuel injection system of a recent generation LR Freelancer. Basically the system limited engine revs, thus limiting speed to 80 km/h, because of low quality diesel fuel that he had bought in the Pyrenees (!). In the end he had LR service tow the car all the way back to the dealership in Lombardy and cover for a temporary replacement vehicle for his trip.

Those systems are for sure useful to prevent damage but also getting all the more complex to the extent that taking an EFI vehicle for an overland trip in countries where quality of fuel can be dreadful can become a costly adventure. I guess proper electronic preparation just as improvements to suspension and alike are in order, if possible. So IMHO the simpler the better.

Having mentioned that, I happen to have a LR Defender 300 Tdi up for sale on this very forum. Unfortunately it's not a pick-up truck, but at least it has none of those electronic innovations. Have a look, I'm also in Switzerland. should you wish to take it for a road test.

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I would suggest to take an VW Amorak.

In germany at sample, your Car has to fulfill the Euro4 Emission Standard, that you can use your car in the bigger cities like Berlin.

In times where the EU can add additional taxes for old cars, or define areas where older cars arent allowed - you should go with the time.

The VW Amorak has a wide base, give you more room to build a cargo-room or an Sleeping Area like this:



To have 10cm more in the width is a big bargain! Far I know has the VW much more than just 10cm more with to his competitors..

A trip to Senegal and back you can do with near any car, that shouldnt give you any restrictions for choosing your Pickup.

For an extended trip there is more to consider with modern Cars: 4x4tripping: Using an Euro5 Diesel car for an worldtrip?

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Interesting link, even though it seems to contradict your recommendation!

I especially like the map of worldwide sulphur content in diesel, do you know whether the quoted figures are regulatory limits or actual measurements in the fuel? I know Iranian diesel stinks of sulphur to the point of smelling quite different from European diesel, but I never noticed any significant increase in smoke output.

Having a new generation EFI Euro 4, 5 common rail blah blah diesel would be terrible for overlanding. Even if one didn't have any problems, fuel quality, filter condition would become a constant obsession. I think for many years, pre common rail mechanical injector / VE rotary pump engines will be the overlander's choice.
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Toyota is IMHO the benchmark. Having built a Toyota HJ75 series Land Cruiser Tray Back Ute (Pickup) 100mm shorter chassis then the HZJ for better entry and exits, Stating with a chassis and a tub, it turned out to be the most reliable, economical and all round beast I have ever owned. 10 years without an issue and was capable of 1350 K's @100 Kph without filling up.

Fitted was a 61 Series 12HT Factory Turbo Diesel Engine. Aux fuel tank, 75 Lt. Water tank and shower with pump. Thomas PTO winch with 50m of S/S 10m cable. Snorkel for deep water crossings, AC, CD, CB, Work light and Spotties, Super springs, Quality gas shocks, Non flip Shackles and 33 inch tyres.

Build time was about 3 months, cost was around 10K AU at the time and wouldn't be all that much more now if you had the time to swap out or source parts. Bullet proof engines, kicking myself for selling it

Failing that just buy a 61 Series Sahara Wagon with the 12HT motor in it. Or, I now own a Toyota Hilux Extra Cab Ute, a great combination because you can carry 4 passenger's if need be and there's enough room to lock up personal belongings and still have a usable sized ute, reasonably cheap and a very reliable, economical and capable 4X4.

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that sir, is a mighty fine truck! The 12HT is not a common engine over these parts though.

did you get hold of a factory new one?
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that sir, is a mighty fine truck! The 12HT is not a common engine over these parts though. did you get hold of a factory new one?
Yes it was, thanks and man I miss it! I was fortunate enough to get it with the 12HT in perfect condition already in it. However it was owned by a pig hunter and the body work, interior and the tray was trashed, the running gear was replaced also.

The 61 series Sahara Wagons are around but hard to find, I agree. The HJ75 / HZJ75 series utes would be hard to find also. A mate in France found and bought a 61 series Sahara Wagon with the 12HT in mint condition last year for 5000 Euro, he loves it!

Guess you just have to want one enough to start sourcing the parts! It's quite an easy build and once you have it all together.............

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Thanks again for all the inputs, I'll stay focused on the pre Euro 3 Hilux (idealy 1998-early 2005), mainly diesel, maybe petrol or in second choice an Isuzu D-Max. I think that a manual gearbox is the way to go or are automatic good too ?

Good choice, I'd look for the 2.7 petrol engine 2000 Toyota Hilux RZN174R, a few pints to consider, get freewheeling hubs and put mags on it, the difference in handling is huge, unsprung weight ect ;-) Keep away from the Isuzu!

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